Athiest, Why do you reject the Bible as proof?
Answer : They can't understand. God has hardened their hearts and their souls shall surely be tortured.
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"God has hardened their hearts"
This part is nonsense, isn't it ?
Oh, and it's wrote in the bible, too
Athiest, Why do you reject the Bible as proof?
Maybe because God has given them enough brain to understand that the things written within the bible are really contradictory and riddled with mistakes and clearly written by humans and not by god and that it would be an insult to god if he would have to rely on the bible as proof of him (and if all the stories attributed to him within the bible were true) :D
"Athiest, Why do you reject the Bible as proof? "
The same reason I don't accept the Harry Potter books as proof that Lord Voldemort really did nearly take over the world and kill/enslave every non-magical human.
"They can't understand. God has hardened their hearts and their souls shall surely be tortured. "
Your loving God, who wants all of his children to believe in and follow him...fixed it so some of us will never believe in and follow him.
How does that make ANY sense to you?
Yeah, THAT'S the reason. It couldn't be that there is absolutely no outside, objective evidence to support anything in the bible. Look into early church history. The church fathers found it insane to think of the bible as a book of history or science. It was a spiritual textbook, a book used ONLY for religious purposes. Which is why the OT is interpreted using a mainly allegorical approach. But show me something outside the bible, from an unbiased source, that gives some evidence to support what's in the bible, and maybe, maybe, it might be worth taking another look at, but even then, I doubt it.
1) Many things in the Bible are counter to what we see with our own eyes but are the sort of things we see in made-up fairy tales: walking sticks turning into serpents, seas parting, people living to 900, demons invading herds of pigs, water turning into wine, etc.
2) Many people have claimed they are speaking for God as a means of gaining power over others: Mohamed, Joseph Smith, the Roman Emperors, Charles Taze Russell, Louis XIV, etc. There are just too many examples of charlatans making stuff up to make the Bible a credible source.
3) The Bible is loaded with contradictions that can only be explained away by inventing bizarre stuff that's not in the Bible; e.g., Judas hanged himself (Matthew), the rope broke (invented out of thin air) and he fell and burst open (Acts). Supposed biblical prophesies that came true do so only by inventing bizarre interpretations of the "prophesies" after the fact or choosing the occasional "true" prophesy after the fact out of a whole list of failed ones.
A conscientious reading of the Bible with an unbiased mind shows it to be self-contradictory, in error and generally primitive in its mindset.
The latter point is to be expected, in fairness, as it was written by people who were unscientific; who would not have understood electricity, computers, aircraft, modern medicine, the motor car, the whole modern world, in fact.
Having recourse to the Bible is fleeing from rationality to irrationality.
This actually makes sense biblically. God hardened the pharaoh's heart so that he wouldn't set the Jews free:
"But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses."
@zazugrey:
Isn't that like saying God will torture people for being short, or for having blue eyes? If he did it to us, why does he get to torture us for it?
Well, quite a few fundies already state that Gawd will torture people for not being heterosexual or for enjoying sex, while admitting that the same Gawd is the one who made sex feel good/these people not straight...
"Athiest, Why do you reject the Bible as proof?"
Because it has no authority. Prove that God exists and that the Bible is his word and we won't reject it.
"Answer : They can't understand. God has hardened their hearts and their souls shall surely be tortured."
You claim we should understand it, yet you claim your God has hardened our hearts such that we cannot understand it. If that's true, then your God is an a**hole preventing us from saving ourselves from his insane wrath.
"Athiest, Why do you reject the Bible as proof?"
Because it's not.
"They can't understand. God has hardened their hearts and their souls shall surely be tortured."
Nice prick of a god you worship. Doesn't say much about either you or him.
@Slayer: "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses."
So, God proved himself to Moses by stacking the deck in his own favor?
Brilliant.
They can't understand.
Perfectly true. No rational person can understand a book with as many contradictions and holes in it as the Bible.
God has hardened their hearts and their souls shall surely be tortured.
So according to you God made us this way? Three problems with that. One, God is meant to be loving and kind; this either disproves what you just said or makes your God a hypocritical prick. Two, if God created us this way, it must be his will, and so we are only doing what he intended for us; therefore, we would go to heaven. Three, all this is irrelevant, because God does not exist.
What a bitch.
"Hey, you! Believe this!"
"Well, uh, lemme read it.."
"No! You mustn't believe it! You're too arrogant and close-minded to!"
"Okay, I'll not read it then."
"AH-HA! SEE! YOU DIDN'T READ IT! YOU SHALL NOW SUFFER!"
Atheist, Why do you reject the Koran as proof?
Answer : They can't understand. Allah has hardened their hearts and their souls shall surely be tortured.
*fixed*
S let's get this straight. You claim that the reason we don't believe is because God has hardened ur hearts and yet we will burn in hell for this disbelief. If your god is the one who has chosen for us not to believe then is going to punish us for something which he has done then the god you believe in really is sadistic, and you should ask yourself why you believe in such a monster.
Strange- 'because they can't understand' was my excuse for people who DO think the Bible proves anything!
I don't accept it as evidence because 1) I've read it 2) It contradicts itself 3) It has several factual inaccuracies. 4) It contains miracle stories that are still impossible even granting the miracle because several dozen other miracles are needed to make it work. 5) It's a morally reprehensible tome, with several instances of God doing and commanding evil to be done. 6) It resembles all the other bullshit holy books- wrong in nearly every testable assertion. 7) It doesn't have any of the evidences I would provide if I wanted to be believed- prophecies more specific than 'a woman will give birth' or a nation will be destroyed and then rebuilt' or' I will come back in this generation'- where they actually come true.
The bible isn't reliable proof because it's not reliable. There are way too many internal inconsistencies to adequately rely on the bible for anything, whether that be science, history, or even religion. We can see the usefulness of the bible in religion by the fact that there are 32 to 33 thousand different christian denominations, and there are more splitting all the time. It's pointless to try to bring the bible into it. It's nice for poetry, or a study into religious psychology, but not much else.
so in other words, god made me an atheist so he could torture me?
What a bastard, are you SURE you want to worship a bastard like that?
Satan strikes me as a gentleman, all things considered. god, on the other hand, is always ME!ME!ME! KISS MY HOLY ASS OR SUFFER FOREVER!
I give you Isaac, I give you Job, I give you Lot.
"Athiest, Why do you reject the Bible as proof?"
Because I've actually read the thing.
"God has hardened their hearts and their souls shall surely be tortured."
God hardened my heart, so He's gonna torture me for it. Nice to see he's still a petty insecure ass as always.
No, it's all the contradictions and the outright bullshit found in the Bible that invalidates it as any kind of proof for anything.
What is an "athiest"? Can you be athier?
It's atheist, you idiot, not athiest. The bible is proof that some imbeciles will believe absolutely any fucking shit, but that's about it.
did he make flies so he had something to pull wings off of ?
@#1362325:
According to some, like AEA here, the Phelps clan and others, yes, He did.
"Why do you reject the Bible"
Because I read it when I was seven years old you miserably stupid pile of brain dead, imbecilic shit.
"Athiest, Why do you reject the Bible as proof?"
Answering the question yourself doesn't work. In the same way not subjecting what you claim as 'Truth' to rigorous Peer Review will only result in people perceiving it as what it always will be: a fairytale with ideas above it's station, written by flawed imperfect men - Bronze Age goatfuckers - who thought they had the right to have ideas above their stations.
...and your 'God' hardening pharaoh's heart? Three things which further destroys the credibility of your 'Truth':
1- Which pharaoh? Thus the Bible FAILS.
2- 'Hardening what is just a blood-pump, nothing more? Physiologically, the Bible FAILS II.
3- Your 'God' influencing someone in this way? Thanks for admitting that 'Free Will' doesn't exist, and not only your 'True' Bible, but the very basis of your 'belie fs' FAILS III, and you've struck out.
"God has hardened their hearts and their souls shall surely be tortured."
Yeah, fuck that "free will" thing. And then he tortures us for eternity for acting the way he made us? Fuck that "forgiving" thing.
If god is omniscient, he knows exactly what it would take to convince me. If he's omnipotent, he can do whatever it takes to convince me. And yet he hasn't done it.
So he knows what to do, has the power to do something about it, and yet does not. So either he doesn't want to, doesn't give a shit, or doesn't exist.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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