Lets put it this way,
1. If there is a god, and we have good deeds, well we’ll go to heaven, also if we made sins, we’re gonna burn in hell
However
2. If god doesnt’ exist, we got nuffin 2 lose, by being nice, nuffins gonna happen, u made f*ckin sins, nuffins gonna happen
To sum up:
We aint got nuffin 2 lose dudes, from a ‘gamblers’ point of view, i’ve chosen 2 believe
for cryin out loud sweet mother of atheis bitches—.. f*ck yo’ll!!!
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Let me quote (or at least paraphrase, since I don't remember the quote exactly) the great and wise Homer Simpson, the idiot that is all that is needed to poke a big giant hole in this:
"But what if we've chosen the wrong god? What if every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder?"
That's pretty shortsighted, because you forgot an infinity of other options:
3. Shiva is the creator of the universe, if you acknowledged him, you might be released from the eternal karmic cycle (or whatever it's called), if not, you might reincarnate into a transsexual midget.
4. The Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe with his Noodly Appendage, not believing in him means cooking with the pasta for eternity.
5. Allah is the creator of the universe, if you believe in him, you'll get 72 virgins in heaven, if not, you go down to the pit of hell.
Etc...
Anyway, seems like the odds are in favor of you burning in hell.
Meh, despite being Pascal rehashed it's not really that fundie, as apparently "good deeds" is enough to win this particular wager. If you want to score a 5 off me, then you need to have fundamentally good people burning while mindless religiosity gets you off the hook...
If all it took was good deeds, then I, as an atheist, would get into this Heaven of yours if it existed (btw, I love how yelled; 'fuck you atheist bitches,' after making point #1). But, since your religion is a stickler for that "must believe in one god and jesus is his son" nonsense, it's not quite that simple. If you don't believe in a very strict series of dogma, your religion says you can't get into Heaven. Likewise, by believing in that dogma you are damning yourself in the eyes of a host of other religions. So, in fact, you have a lot to lose by believing in what you believe in.
Further more, if there aren't gods and you spend a life believing in them and paying tribute to their supposed whims anyway, you still lose. You are wasting your one and only life believing in complete and utter nonsense. I, meanwhile, prefer to spend my time advancing my knowledge and living life to its fullest without worrying about outdated restrictions that Humans, living thousands of years ago, came up with. Nor do I want to live in fear that I might not be worthy and spend all my time consumed over this when I can be out living life. But, fortunately, I don't have to as there is no way I can bring myself to believe something so silly at this point even I wanted to.
@Bunny Boy
This sounds more like 'Fuckwit'*, the argot spoken by Chavs here in the UK. But seeing as Chavs, by definition, aren't Christian, they're several rungs further up the food chain ladder than this fundie freak Samantha (and that's saying something!).
Chavs = lower than the HIV virus
Christian Chavs = DOES NOT COMPUTE *ERROR---ERROR---ERROR*. But such a concept would be too hideous to contemplate!
*- Especially their use of the double-negative, such as 'aint got nuffin', or 'ain't done nuffin'.
God doesn´t like people who just believe in him because they think it will be advantageous for their afterlife.
He also doesn´t like people who mindless follow rules (and exclude other people from society because of these rules) just because they are written in some books which they believe to be written by god himself.
Jesus said a lot about rules and Pharisees ;)
Well, I am sure god will tell you these things personally, as soon as you die, Samantha. So don´t be disappointed if Pascals Wager didn´t work exactly as you thought it would, Sam ;)
"Lets put it this way,
1. If there is a god, and we have good deeds, well we’ll go to heaven, also if we made sins, we’re gonna burn in hell
However
2. If god doesnt’ exist, we got nuffin 2 lose, by being nice, nuffins gonna happen, u made f*ckin sins, nuffins gonna happen"
Oh look, Pascal is alive and well. Apparently the resurrection process damages the speech center of the brain though...
"To sum up:
We aint got nuffin 2 lose dudes, from a gamblers’ point of view, i’ve chosen 2 believe
for cryin out loud sweet mother of atheis bitches
.. f*ck yo’ll!!!"
Good god that's horrendous.
By the way, Pascal may have been a hell of a mathematician but a logician he wasn't. His little wager is so full of holes you can see right through it.
Nothing to lose? I wasted years of my young life keeping myself "pure for Jesus," denying myself everything that those around me were indulging in, in the hope that eventually, things would be much, much better for me....after I died.
No, please Samantha: Fuck you, I insist.
We aint got nuffin 2 lose dudes, from a gamblers’ point of view, i’ve chosen 2 believe.
But (1) didn't say you go to heaven for believing; it said "If ... we have good deeds ...".
Oh my god, I'm stunned. Killing the English language, even though it's not alive, is still killing. This is so bad, that at first I thought she was arguing FOR atheism. Holy shit, this is terrible. So this is about Pascal's Wager? I never would have guessed that.
Worst restatement yet of Pascal's wager, and Fundies have come up with many truly atrocious examples. Kudos for the self-censored profanities nevertheless, it shows you know people should not hear what you're saying. Such a shame you didn't do it throughout the whole of your argument.
I'm so sick of idiots with their ridiculous debunked Pascal's wager BS.
It's useless anyway, I can't believe just because you told me to. I can only pretend to believe.
If I told you there was an incorporeal dragon following you everywhere and if you don't believe in it, the dragon will eat you, could you believe? Even if you tried really, really hard? No, not unless there was something wrong with your brain. Which to be fair, seems likely.
Pascal's wager only really works at or close to the point of death. I suspect that if i knew i was going to die imminently, I might well say "fuck it, what is there to lose" and do a little prayn' to the god I was most familiar with.
Chriastianity's a good one BTW, as i believe that if Islam turns out to be true, both Christian's & Jews, as people of the book, are spared hell (though they don't get into heven proper). So you get two chances of escaping eternal torment!
"If there is a god, and we have good deeds, well we’ll go to heaven, also if we made sins, we’re gonna burn in hell"
Does this mean I would go to both heaven and hell? :p
Christ, lady, just reading that made my eyes hurt! The only thing I got from this mess was that you're a believer who thinks atheists are sub-human. Get some grammar lessons, this is NOT AIM, or MSN, and the only other time it's acceptable is if you surf the web on your cell phone.
"We aint got nuffin 2 lose dudes, from a gamblers’ point of view, i’ve chosen 2 believe
for cryin out loud sweet mother of atheis bitches
.. f*ck yo’ll!!!"
...says Samantha, Tweeting as she goes into Argos, to buy more cheap Elizabeth Duke gold hoop earrings & clown pendants on rope chain necklaces, with her 'bay-bey' in a pushchair, prior to shoplifting some more cans of Stella Artois from Tesco's.
X3
Look, if you want to believe in gawd, fine, go ahead, all the more power to you. The issue we atheists have is when you legislate that everyone has to believe in your particular gawd, and follow his inane rituals precisely as you do. Your religion works for you, great, but it might not work for everyone else.
Think of it like this. Insulin can keep some people alive. They need it to live. But we don't all take insulin shots, because it would be like fatal to most folks. Religion should be like insulin. If you need it, go ahead. If not, fine. Nobody can force you to take insulin, nobody should force you to believe in a god, Simple.
Also, seriously, welcome to North America, here's a school voucher, I suggest investing in some ESL classes. Trust me, you need them.
My god, I can hear the stupidity inherent within a dialect like Samantha's, verbally muttered through her text. The idiot trots out Pascal's tired old wager, garnished with a bit of "I'm too weak willed to think I could do good without being afraid of Skydaddy", splashed with a bit of casual profane speech.
Are crimes against the English language a sin, and wouldn't any reasoning God be quite upset with a human being that refused to use its "gift" of a brain to its fullest extent?
Clearly your belief in God has made you a kind and loving soul.
Oh shit, my keyboard had Sarcasm Lock on, sorry about that. What I meant to say was, "you ill-educated hypocritical twat".
The gods humans have invented all have different views on what a good deed is. How do you know which good deed to have? They also have different views on what a sin is.
If gods don't exist and we do good, people around us will like us, and we might leave this place a little bit better than it was when we came.
If gods don't exist and we do bad things, people around us will not like us, and we risk leaving this place worse than when we came.
To me it looks like we have everything to win and quite a lot to lose, regardless of the existence of gods.
Confused?
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