Possibly the most sinister battlefield in the war on Christianity takes place in the classroom. The Ten Commandments have been prohibited on school bulletin boards and most forms of prayer have been declared unconstitutional in the nation's schools, even that which is student initiated.
Atheists and others who hate God despises Christians who help others come to a saving knowledge of Christ. They are determined to battle those who would help immature Christians -- particularly Christian children -- grow in their relationship with Jesus Christ.
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"...most forms of prayer have been declared unconstitutional in the nation's schools, even that which is student initiated."
Not exactly. When the students are in a position of speaking for the school, this is correct; no prayer is allowed. So graduation speeches, pep rallies, football cheers, etc. can include no prayer.
If you want to file it under free speech, you'd have to argue that a school should allow valedictory addresses that include profanity and sexually vulgar language.
Right when there was prayer in school or when the church ran schools there was no out of wedlock pregnancy, child abuse, violence, racism, or ignorance.
"Atheists and others who hate God despises Christians"
You channeling Golum there?
"We despises filthy hobbits, my precious!"
"and most forms of prayer have been declared unconstitutional in the nation's schools, even that which is student initiated." Wrong.
Atheists don't hate god, it would be really stupid and detrimental to one's health to hate something that we didn't even believe exists. And "immature christians"? That's pretty much the whole lot of you.
most forms of prayer have been declared unconstitutional in the nation's schools, even that which is student initiated.
Lying for Jesus. When I was in public schools, I was still a Christian, and I got to pray in any way up to, but not including, enlisting the school system as my partner in ministry.
"The Ten Commandments have been prohibited on school bulletin boards"
"and most forms of prayer have been declared unconstitutional in the nation's schools, even that which is student initiated."
Certainly the first four commandments have absolutely no place in a public school classroom as they relate only to the inflated ego of your imagined God.
Some of the other commandments are pretty good ideas, but, as they have no authority coming from a book of fairy tales, they can't be presented as commandments.
I don't hate your imagined God. I hate your presenting your imagined God as if he really exists and as if I am somehow bound to respect your nonsensical beliefs, but I can't hate that which doesn't exist.
xplicit_UK wrote
Funny that. We do have prayers in school over here, yet the majority of Brits grows up to be filthy heathens. So much for the effectiveness of that approach.
As a fellow Brit, I remember (back in the mid-seventies in a secular school) being made to say Grace before I was allowed to eat lunch. It pissed me off then, I hope it's not still going on!
No, school-sponsored prayer led by a faculty member or administrator is prohibited. And students cannot use prayer as part of an official school exercise. Otherwise they can pray any time the idea pops into their pointy little heads. Silently. Or aloud as long as it doesn't interrupt class and they don't mind being teased. And the Ten Commandments can go anywhere you want to put them in a Christian school. They have no place in a public school. Besides, the Commandments have been around since the Torah and they haven't accomplish diddly to date.
[Atheists and others who hate God despises Christians who help others come to a saving knowledge of Christ. ]
No. Atheists just don't want you to force their child to pray to some god they don't believe in. How would you like it if your child was forced to pray to Allah in school every morning?
Their relationship with insanity is fine as long as it doesn't invase class time or use school resources.
Also, that part of the Bible where Jesus said "Guys, don't be a douche. If praying distracts other people from their shit, pray on your own time, in the closet or w/e lol"
"and most forms of prayer have been declared unconstitutional in the nation's schools, even that which is student initiated. "
"The Ten Commandments have been prohibited on school bulletin boards and most forms of prayer have been declared unconstitutional in the nation's schools, even that which is student initiated. "
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Atheists and unbelievers don't hate your god. I recently felt that your god isn't evil per se, but many use him as an excuse to be on the side of evil and an asshole. And you aren't helping, all you are doing is pressing your beliefs on them. You'll note other religions don't whine nearly as much and we don't have the 5 pillars of Islam nor the Wiccan creed nor other Pagan religions than Wicca.
I prayed over every lunch while I attended public school; quite frankly, nobody gave a rat's ass what I was doing, so long as I didn't bother anyone else. In addition, up until I could no longer believe in Christianity, I prayed over my food at my college, and never received an odd look, a reprimand, or anything.
From my personal experience, you sir are full of bullshit.
@solomongrundy:
In fairness, it's been a while since I left our world class education system (early 90s), so I had to look it up, but it turns out that the School Standards and Framework Act 1998 states that "all pupils in state schools must take part in a daily act of collective worship wholly or mainly of a broadly Christian character".
Scary. *shudder*
Mind you, apparently 80% of secondary schools disregard that particular law, so it isn't all bad.
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father in secret shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6:5-6
Seems like God wants to to be quiet about it...
When I went to school, I was coerced to sing a hymn each and every morning in school, and each and every afternoon in school, for the first three years.
I don't hate your god, any more than I hate Shiva or Thor, or Ganesh, or Amon/Aton. I simply don't think they exist.
My mother was a Sunday School teacher when I was little and she NEVER forced any belief onto her four kids, we were free to believe whatever felt right to us. One of my brothers is a deist communist. Imagine that!!!
Possibly the most sinister battlefield in the war on Christianity takes place in the classroom. The Ten Commandments have been prohibited on school bulletin boards and most forms of prayer have been declared unconstitutional in the nation's schools, even that which is student initiated.
Deliberate lying for Jesus.
Students can pray all they want, as long as they don't disrupt classes. Doesn't the Bible say you should pray in private, in your closet, or you're a hypocrite?
Atheists don't hate gods, what would be the point of hating things that don't exist? If you have the right to "help others come to a saving knowledge of Christ", then atheists have the right to help others come to a rational knowledge of reality.
No, we are just against spreading lies and forcefully indoctrinating people into religion.
I'm a bloody christian and I'd never tell my kids to pretend science doesn't exist, or make them go to my church, or pray to my god. I'd tell them about it when they got at least old enough to get the idea, and if they didn't care, then whatever, they can believe what they wish.
Also, students are permitted to do religious practices given they fit within school policy/have been confirmed as connected to a religion and are legal at all. Children can opt out of things, wear stuff that isn't ok for other children, pray(just not in speeches/anything for the whole class/school), such and such based on religion.
A teacher will not stop a kid from praying at lunch, or stop a Muslim kid from wearing their traditional garments despite school policy otherwise. Anything vaugley related to a religious idea, necessary as a part of history or otherwise, students may request exemption.
Exceptions are made in a way that do not place the religion as the centerpiece, but still give them religious freedom and the ability to honor that religion.
[Atheists and others who hate God]
Strawman fallacy, the god-hating Atheists. There are atheists that hate god and Christians. However, alot are just people that would rather not subscribe to any such belief system.
That's it.
They just don't want to be involved in a religion, is that seriously so bad?
[The Ten Commandments have been prohibited on school bulletin boards and most forms of prayer have been declared unconstitutional in the nation's schools, even that which is student initiated.]
No. It's unconstitutional to force students to pray to god, given it may not be their god, and it wouldn't be their choice. It'd be violating their rights.
However, they may pray in most situations in school, on the individual basis.
You've got the kids all weekend, every evening after 4:00, every morning before school, all summer long, and every holiday. If they can't find enough praying time to pass that math test in all those hours, do you think a muttered prayer during the exam will really help them? I mean, that's legal. Nobody can ever stop silent prayer. It's the efficacy of it that worries me. Don't panic, but have them do some actual algebra homework - that's better than a prayer.
@Anon-e-moose
It's my doing, but it's sheer chance and nothing to do with NK. I've been browsing the posts from just before Obama's election, curious as to the extent of the right-wing resistance to him and wondering how many ways they could manage to make excuses without actually coming out and mentioning his race. It's been drearily repetitive.
@Kanna
You continue doing what you're doing: to further expose the Religious Reich/Alt-Shite in this way.
With this quote in particular - and when - it's worked in more ways than you imagined.
If the OP was to say anything other than 'Those pictures of Kim Il-sung & Kim Jong-Il have every right to be in all of North Korea's classrooms, and everywhere else: even the trains in Pyongyang's underground', his entire 'argument' would be as dead as the dictators in those pics: worshipped as gods themselves.
...and in the parade in Pyongyang today, no ICBMs required: least of all in the annihilation of that 'argument'.
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