Why does Obama oppose critical thinking about Darwin in science class?
Ideas have consequence, as Darwin's 200th birthday approaches we are reminded he wrote negatively about Irish, Blacks and Asians in The Oriigns of the Species and even ordered the capture of some Australian Aborigenes to be brought back to England for taxidermy purpose because after all they were subhuman in his estimateion as Barrack considers the fetus without human rights no matter how human it appears. Why slam the doors shut on the minds of students in public schools?
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First of all, basically everyone in that time period was racist towards every one. Second, I really doubt he picked up people for taxidermy purposes since he was pretty light on the racism and very much so light on the 'HURG DURG THEY'RE LESS THAN HUMAN'. If you really wanted to argue that evolution affects our opinions on things such as race, if anything it draws us together by pointing out we're social creatures all a part of the same damn species.
And finally, no one is shutting out critical thinking. GODDIDIT is no more critical thinking than claiming that aliens came down to build the pyramids while the real Egyptians, the Japanese-Americans, danced the rain dance of their god Quetzocotl in glory of Saturnalia so that baby Jesus could unite Montezuma and Catherine the Great.
"Ideas have consequence, as Darwin's 200th birthday approaches we are reminded he wrote negatively about Irish, Blacks and Asians in The Oriigns of the Species and even ordered the capture of some Australian Aborigenes to be brought back to England for taxidermy purpose because after all they were subhuman in his estimateion...."
You are a bloody liar. Darwin, contrary to many of his white contemporaries, wrote admiringly of darker-skinned people. And as for him "order[ing] the capture of some Australian Aborigenes [sic ] to be brought back to England for taxidermy purposes," all I can say is, [citation really freakin' needed] -- among other things, to explain how in the heck he encountered Australian Aborigines in the Caribbean!
~David D.G.
I'm sure Obama is all for critical thinking about Darwin in science classes.
Now if only creationists would display some critical thinking instead of the usual strawmen fallacies, lies and biblical glasses blinkers, there would be something to discuss.
Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.
Darwin wrote positively about other races while his contemporaries including most Christians were disparaging them. Darwin went nowhere near Australia, and wasn't in a position to give anyone orders; on the Beagle's voyage, he was present for the RETURN of several Tierra del Fuegians who had been kidnapped and taken to England years earlier.
You stupid fuckers can't make a single coherent point without building it around a lie. You have nothing, nothing at all.
All of Charles Darwin's writings are available online , so kindly show us where "he wrote negatively about Irish, Blacks and Asians in The Oriigns of the Species and even ordered the capture of some Australian Aborigenes to be brought back to England for taxidermy purpose because after all they were subhuman in his estimateion."
Why slam the doors shut on the minds of students in public schools?
Not teaching religion isn't "slamming the doors shut on the minds of students"; they have plenty of opportunity to learn religion at home or church. There are a thousand different religions. Teaching children to be evangelical Christians isn't the job of public schools.
Hm, nothing and noone prevents kids from critical thinking about Darwin in science classes.
The only thing that is prevented is, to teach fairy tales (like Creationism/ID) alongside established scientific theories ;)
Nobody is slamming any doors shut!
It's just that when you are presenting new ideas to replace an already accepted scientific theory, your replacement theory needs to be able to explain all the evidence found in support of the replaced theory. Can you do that?
Uh, Spunky, those were the Christians practicing overt racism in the 19th Century ("the white man's burden," and all that). And he didn't "order" the capture of aborigines on the other side of the globe.
Now now, the 9th commandment only forbids bearing false witness , meaning perjury in a trial.
Outside of a trial they're allowed to lie for Jesus all they want.
Wow Darwin was a bitch huh?
Good thing his theory of evolution doesn't imply, demand, or state anything of those silly racist thoughts.
Oh geelith*, I think this person just fears to be discovered to be an atavism!
* no reference to fictional persons intended. In one of my conlangs, j'ilic means something entirely different
Why do fundies oppose critical thinking in general?
Because it's painfully obvious, even without it, that your arguments are nothing but lies and strawmen, with frequent ad hominem elements.
Ah, one of my pet peeves...
Even if all those things about Darwin were true, it wouldn't take anything away from the validity of his theory.
That's what Fundies generally not understand. In science it's not about the person, it's about evidence, observation, and experimentation.
Indeed, if you take away Jesus from Christianity the whole house of cards crashes. But if you take Darwin away from Evolution, it still stands just as firmly. Even if Einstein had been a complete and utter bastard, E would still equal mc2.
That's what's so amazing about science, and why I'd choose it over any sort of cult every day.
Repeatedly screaming "Just a theory! Not true! Wah!" doesn't qualify as critical thought. In fact, it doesn't qualify as any kind of thought.
I'm not even going to touch the shitheap of libel that is the rest of your post.
@tracer:
"Now now, the 9th commandment only forbids bearing false witness, meaning perjury in a trial.
Outside of a trial they're allowed to lie for Jesus all they want."
Not true. The infamous Big Ten aren't the only commandments in the Bible. There are literally hundreds (600 - 700 depending on how you count, usually 613 IIRC) in the OT, collectively called the Mosaic Code. Many of which directly address dishonesty, among other, less direct passages.
Heck, even the first google result for "lying in the bible" turned up a list of dozens of passages that frown on dishonesty, many of which are direct quotes from God himself.
Obama doesn't oppose critical thinking about Darwin, but realises that the place for critical thinking about Darwin is in at least undergraduate and probably postgraduate academia; you know, so it's done by real scientists.
He liked black people... He had no claims on the Irish. He wrote about Indians in Fiji...
He liked other people. He was pro miscegenation and liked the West Indies and Brazil where black and white people would get married regularly.
AND I am pretty sure Darwin did not hunt Aborigines to put on his wall... Hell he was an avid hunter, but I am sure he did not hunt "the most dangerous game of all".
"And maybe when they teach the Holocaust in History class they should explore the Holocaust Revisionist viewpoint that none of it really happened? You know, to provide a different opinion." -- Disreg
Maybe college anthropology classes should teach the Mormon theory that the Native American peoples are descended from a group of Israelites that sailed over in 800 BC.
Maybe schools should teach the Flat-Earth Theory and the Heliocentric Theory, too.
And perhaps medical schools should teach the Pentecostal notion that physical illnesses arise from demonic possession alongside the Germ Theory.
When you come up with some critical thinking, with the emphasis on the word "thinking", please let us know. Until then, study creationism in your church. K, douchebag?
Critical thinking? Such as courses like Comparitive Religions that are always opposed by Christians. and not just fundies, in Owen Sound, Ontario, several denominations joined up to promote religious classes in public school, when the goverment offered only a Comparitive Religions class the churchs were unaminously against it.
Christians only want Biblical indoctrination as early as possible. They know those not exposed to it early will never join their myth clubs. Hell, we had it in grade six, Bible Class, I already knew the story was fable then.
Congratulations whirlingmerc,
The gross ignorance you demonstrated about Darwin and his work illustrates exactly why education in this area is so desperately needed.
Oh, and nice attempt to confuse the issue by sneaking in a slam against abortion rights. Better luck next time.
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