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It is in fact a greater stretch to look at the world and say there is a god. To say you look out and find a greater power in the air is to say you've ignored the tremendous pain and suffering of people.

As for evidence for evolution? The common theory is that evolution didn't occur through small changes over and over as in Darwin's ideas, it actually occurred through something called punctuated equilibrium. What this means is that a few small cosmetic changes happened now and then but somewhere along the line a great big change happened and completely dissolved the need for small changes. Religious scholars as well as secular scholars seem to agree on this issue.



Does it matter? Darwin's theory if far from complete. It has more flaws than the Bible everyone loves to criticize.

The truth is, Darwin never intended his theory to reject the belief in God. In fact, he advised against it. He understood that there would be some that would use his theory to negate the existence of God and that was never his intention. Darwin also admitted his theory was not the only one and was not flawless.

Kari, WoW Offtopic 24 Comments [11/3/2008 7:24:55 PM]
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Orangutan

Punctuated equilibrium is therefore mistakenly thought to oppose the concept of gradualism, when it is actually a form of gradualism, in the ecological sense of biological continuity. This is because even though evolutionary change appears instantaneous between geological sediments, change is still occurring incrementally, with no great change from one generation to the next. To this end, Gould later commented that:

Most of our paleontological colleagues missed this insight because they had not studied evolutionary theory and either did not know about allopatric speciation or had not considered its translation to geological time. Our evolutionary colleagues also failed to grasp the implication, primarily because they did not think at geological scales.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium

11/3/2008 7:38:27 PM

anonymous

All right, guys, he said our theory has flaws.

That's it. Close up shop.

No, I don't know what they are! But would Kari REALLY lie about something so important?

11/3/2008 7:39:17 PM

Mrs. Antichrist

No shit. We've been saying for YEARS that evolution is not about trying to disprove God.

11/3/2008 7:56:14 PM

a mind far far away

I don't know of one person, atheist or otherwise, that accepts evolution, and thinks that it was meant or should be meant to disprove god. god does a good enough job of disproving himself without the help of science. The vast majority of christians, both liberal and traditional conservative, accept theistic evolution. Only the small minority of fundamentalists and some evangelicals believe in strict young earth creationism. So go do some reading outside the bible, learn some things, and realize that YEC is bullshit.

11/3/2008 8:02:12 PM

Carnife

so.. where is the fundie in this?

11/3/2008 8:08:31 PM

A Freind

Damn fundies. For the last time Charles Darwin is not our prophet/god. Also, the theory of evolution says nothing about the existence of god.

11/3/2008 8:17:33 PM

aaa

Average stuff.

11/3/2008 8:25:53 PM

John

He understood that there would be some that would use his theory to negate the existence of God and that was never his intention.

He apparently didn't anticipate that fundies would use their belief in God to negate his theory, though. That was never his intention, either.

Punctuated equilibrium is still evolution. It just questions the timing. In fact, it causes bigger problems for biblical creationists, because it implies that evolution can be quite rapid when necessary.

11/3/2008 8:31:35 PM

Old Viking

Punctuated equilibrium is a quick burp in the evolutionary process. Further, evolution has no more to do with the existence of god than trigonometry does. And guess what! Even today, 150 years after Darwin, science does not consider the theory of evolution to be flawless. Only Christian dogma is flawless.

11/3/2008 8:44:03 PM

Bored One-time Poster

This has some fundie elements to it, but it's not really fundie at all.

Darwin came up with evolution (shortly) before genetics was even discovered. Of course he knew it would have flaws- it was much harder to test back then.

I mean, simply the agreement that Darwin wasn't trying to disprove God's existence is enough to make this non-fundie.

AND it's probably the most intelligent comment ever on World of Warcraft.

11/3/2008 9:06:40 PM

StridentLobster

Not very correct, but not very fundie, either. I think with a bit more info Kari could be swayed to our side.

11/3/2008 9:15:56 PM

Wandering Discordian

I get the feeling everything before the several line space is one person, while the bottom two paragraphs is Kari. Even then, it's not that bad, though the implication sees to be "evolution is wrong because it isn't perfect."

11/3/2008 9:37:50 PM

anevilmeme

"Darwin's theory if far from complete. It has more flaws than the Bible everyone loves to criticize."

Darwin knew how many legs insects have, next?

11/3/2008 9:40:51 PM

Papabear

The ToE has moved far beyond what Darwin said.

Acceptance of the ToE doesn't mean one must reject God. It does make literal belief in the genesis stories impossible, but belief in God is still possible.

Many theories have flaws, that doesn't necessarily make them worthless or even significantly flawed. Many of the flaws perceived in Darwin's day have been corrected or discovered to not have been flaws in the first place.

That you don't admit that creationism has flaws says a lot about you, Kari.


11/3/2008 10:06:41 PM

Mortok

Oh no! Flaws! Now we'll have to come up with a whole new theory!

11/3/2008 10:22:13 PM

Pedantic Twit

If I knew you, I'd slap you.

11/3/2008 10:40:39 PM

Mister Spak

"something called punctuated equilibrium. What this means is that a few small cosmetic changes happened now and then but somewhere along the line a great big change happened and completely dissolved the need for small changes. Religious scholars as well as secular scholars seem to agree on this issue. "

Biologists disagree.

11/3/2008 10:44:04 PM

Darwin's Lil' Girl

Go read a book.

That's probably the best insult you can give these people.

11/3/2008 10:59:41 PM

Shadoboy

Finally, someone understands Darwin's Theory doesn't necesirely disprove the existance of God, like all fundies think he tried to do... -_-

11/3/2008 11:20:43 PM

tracer

"To say you look out and find a greater power in the air is to say you've ignored the tremendous pain and suffering of people."


Or, it's to say that the "greater power in the air" has ignored the tremendous pain and suffering of people.

11/4/2008 2:12:00 AM

Mitch

All punctuated equilibrium means is that there were large changes in certain periods and little or no changes in others, which makes sense considering if there were rapid changes to an environment at certain points of time and no change at other times.

11/4/2008 6:36:50 AM

Dan Onymous

I don't see where the fundie is in this.

Says that belief in God is more of a stretch than a lack of belief, says that evolution happens, says that Darwin's theory was incomplete and flawed like all new theories, says that Darwin did not intend to disprove God.

Where's the fundie?

11/4/2008 11:32:45 AM

Quantum Mechanic

F

11/4/2008 11:56:11 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Kari makes shit up.

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