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Many aspects of the Bible have been verified by thorough investigation. Of course the Bible cannot be proven in a strict scientific sense like the Law of Gravity, and much of its historical background of course cannot be repeated. But the evidence supporting the Bible is both strong and sufficient. Such evidence can never itself 'prove' anything because, the Bible itself explains that the heart of man is the key issue. If a person has a right attitude then the promise 'seek and you will find' (Matthew 7 v7) applies.

Personally, I think one of the strongest evidences relates to the way in which the Bible describes the world that exists and in particular the nature of man. Much sin and wickedness is described. This is how things are still today. Murder and strife among men, and deception etc etc still abound today together with wars. The Bible does not gloss over or ignore human failure. Even great church leaders like Peter are shown to be human and needing rebuke. (Galatians 2) This is how it is today.

Hundreds of Bible Prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. Many were written hundreds of years prior to the events they describe. One relates specifically to our modern world and I believe to the medium of the Internet which has a massive amount of knowledge in it.
'But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.' (Daniel 12 v4) Men are also being transported 'to and fro' with great rapidity unthought of in Daniels's day.

Ellitee, WoW Offtopic 37 Comments [11/2/2008 12:36:07 PM]
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Mortok

The 'prophecies' in the bible are so vague and nonsensical that they could be interpreted to mean almost anything.

11/2/2008 12:42:49 PM

kingoftheheavies

The stupidity of khristians never ceases to amaze me. Why can't they just shut the fuck up, and leave everyone else alone?

11/2/2008 12:49:02 PM

343panic

Christian, but not fundie.

11/2/2008 12:52:08 PM

a mind far far away

End times apocalyptic paranoia, but other than that, not quite as fundy as we've seen. His second statement is something that most fundies would probably consider heretical. But it's all still nonsense, nonetheless.

11/2/2008 12:53:38 PM

G Zimmer

Many aspects of the Bible have been verified by thorough investigation.

Such as...?

Of course the Bible cannot be proven in a strict scientific sense like the Law of Gravity, and much of its historical background of course cannot be repeated. But the evidence supporting the Bible is both strong and sufficient.

Translation: The Bible is true. I can't tell you exactly why right now, but you should believe me anyway.

Such evidence can never itself 'prove' anything because, the Bible itself explains that the heart of man is the key issue. If a person has a right attitude then the promise 'seek and you will find' (Matthew 7 v7) applies.

So in other words, it's completely subjective. And If I have to 'find Jesus', does that mean he's deliberately hiding himself?

Personally, I think one of the strongest evidences relates to the way in which the Bible describes the world that exists and in particular the nature of man. Much sin and wickedness is described. This is how things are still today. Murder and strife among men, and deception etc etc still abound today together with wars. The Bible does not gloss over or ignore human failure. Even great church leaders like Peter are shown to be human and needing rebuke. (Galatians 2) This is how it is today.

So? Humans have been doing humanlike things since the dawn of time...and this is supposed to prove the Bible because the Bible has this (obvious) observation written down? I could just as easily use your line of reasoning to explain why there are no gods, which makes it worthless.

Hundreds of Bible Prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. Many were written hundreds of years prior to the events they describe.

Or, perhaps the fulfillment of such prophecies were fabricated in order to lend credence to the idea of god coming to earth as a man to act as a savior? Considering that some of the old testament prophets wrote about visions from god that read very much like the scribblings of madmen on LSD, I doubt very much that the original prophecies had any weight in the first place.

One relates specifically to our modern world and I believe to the medium of the Internet which has a massive amount of knowledge in it.
'But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.' (Daniel 12 v4) Men are also being transported 'to and fro' with great rapidity unthought of in Daniels's day.


XD
Now you're just grasping at straws.

11/2/2008 12:58:46 PM

aaa

Needs more crazy.

11/2/2008 1:08:10 PM

John-in-Oz

Since the Bible contradicts itself so badly that no-one has ever been able to write a single coherent account that summarizes all 4 Gospels, the Bible contradicts God's word.

11/2/2008 1:11:22 PM

Xotan

Evidence that does not demonstrate or prove is simply not evidence. Now stop pulling shite our of your arse.

Your 'evidence' from Daniel is more like forcing a biblical verse to fit your preconceptions. There is nothing like the internet in your quote. So you can shove it back with the rest of the shite.

11/2/2008 1:28:55 PM

anevilmeme

The Bible doesn't even get basic science right; four corners of the Earth, 4 legged insects, pi =3, etc, etc, etc.

11/2/2008 1:34:36 PM



Personally, I think one of the strongest evidences relates to the way in which the Bible describes the world that exists and in particular the nature of man. Much sin and wickedness is described. This is how things are still today. Murder and strife among men, and deception etc etc still abound today together with wars. The Bible does not gloss over or ignore human failure.

The Bible is true because it depicts human failure? You may as well say it's true because the characters in it have two eyes.


11/2/2008 1:57:36 PM



This isn't fundie at all. Seriously this website needs to adopt a more 'quality over quantity' approach. Believing something that is wrong doesn't make you a fundie. Wanting to hurt, maim, or kill people who disagree with you makes you a fundie.

11/2/2008 2:07:56 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

Vicky Pollard Award, no question.

"Do you have proof?"

"Yeah, but, no, but yeah, but no, but yeah, but no...."

11/2/2008 2:22:52 PM

Mister Spak

"and knowledge shall be increased.' "

Was he referring to people in general, or only to fundies. If the latter, the end is not nigh.

11/2/2008 2:24:21 PM

John

Daniel predicted "knowledge shall be increased"? Any numbskull can look like a prophet if he sticks to vague statements that are almost certain to come true. Here. I'll give you another one: "a great earthquake shall shake the earth and many shall die". I bet it'll come true within ten years.

11/2/2008 2:38:13 PM

colonel catastrophe

Gravity is still a theory too. Just like relativity, the atomic theory, and, yes, evolution too :)

11/2/2008 4:32:42 PM

Saika

I think you're missing the punch line.

11/2/2008 4:48:08 PM

Faxon

Murder and strife among men you say, so women are going to be fine then?

11/2/2008 5:09:54 PM

Berny

Hundreds of Bible Prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. Many were written hundreds of years prior to the events they describe.

By that logic Harry Potter is true because prophecies made in earlier books are demonstrated as fulfilled by the end of the seventh.
The authors of the Bible couldn't even get that right. They need a better editor next time.

11/2/2008 6:44:42 PM

Safaraz

Strongly religious yes, fundie no.

11/2/2008 7:01:05 PM

Old Viking

One of these days there's going to be some bad shit going down somewhere.

See what I did there?

11/2/2008 7:25:38 PM

anonymous

The Bible has some historical accuracy, but maybe you should work on proving the parts that don't make any sense, like the Flood.

11/2/2008 7:27:27 PM

solomongrundy

If you seriously expect me to believe Daniel 12:4 is a prediction of the invention of the internet then you are very much more stupid than I thought.

And I already thought you were very stupid indeed.

11/2/2008 7:37:09 PM

myheadhurts

"Hundreds of Bible Prophecies have been accurately fulfilled."

Name one.

11/2/2008 8:28:23 PM

Andrew

Personally I tend to disagree with the "Law of Gravity" or even Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. I find Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to paint a much more accurate picture than the law. But hey, what do I know? So what if Einstein's picture explains the orbit of Mercury while Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation does not, that doesn't mean that this guy's attachment to the "Law of Gravity" is woefully outdated... does it?

11/2/2008 8:48:56 PM

DemonFighter

"Personally, I think one of the strongest evidences relates to the way in which the Bible describes the world that exists and in particular the nature of man. Much sin and wickedness is described. This is how things are still today. Murder and strife among men, and deception etc etc still abound today together with wars."

I think the works of Shakespeare hit the nail on the head with the nature of man and how things are still today even better. Doesn't make me think they all really happened.

11/2/2008 11:11:39 PM
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