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And your proof is? How about putting your money where your mouth is?


Find me proof that there were gas chambers at the camps.
Find me proof that there was a systemic plan to kill all the Jews.
Find me proof that 6 million died in the camps.
Find me proof that they had the means to cremate 6 million bodies.
Find me proof that the corpses put in pits were Jews and not Germans.
Find me proof that the museum presents all evidence as it stood during the war.
Find me proof on which they base that number on of 6 million.
Find me proof that all the stories told at the trials were in fact the truth.
Find me proof that the Germans lied in their accounts of the final days of the war.
Find me proof that Jews were total victims of the fascists and not sold out by their own leaders.
Find me proof that the Russians did not fabricate evidence to convict Germans of war crimes.
Find me proof that the showers could have possibly served as gas chambers.
Find me proof that they had no showers, just delousing chambers and gas chambers.
Find me proof that they have not been shouting 6 million at the first WW.
Find me proof that there was ever any Zyklon used in the "showers turned gas chambers".
Find me proof that since the only camp to have a gas chamber was on the Soviet occupied
side they did not alter the showers.
Find me proof that the Russians were not trying to shift the blame to the Germans for crimes they had committed during the war and after.
Find me proof that Gemar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel and other researchers are wrong in their scientific analysis of the evidence gathered from the walls of the "chambers".
Find me one scientist who would debunk what these researchers have presented.
Find one reason why this issue is sacrosanct.
Find me one reason why the " graves" were covered over in boulders as "artwork" when historians suggested digging at some sites to verify the claims of thousands of bodies put in pits.
Find me proof that there were less Jews in Europe after the war than before.
Find me proof that they sent the Jews to camps to exterminate them across hundreds of miles when on site executions would have been more efficient.
Find me proof that they did this secretly when they summarily executed many others openly and without the slightest hesitation.
Find me proof that they tried to cover this when they blew up their munitions storage but not the "gas chambers" or their records?
Find me proof from the archives kept by the Soviets for decades before turning them over in 1984 that any genocide was policy.
Find me proof that the Jews who were nothing more than slave labor and even had a brothel and pool in their camps were sent there to be killed.
Find me proof of the genocide orders when the German Command complained to camp directors of the high numbers of deaths from disease among the inmates and demanded they take better care of them.
Find me proof that they above all others were systemically killed.
Find me proof that they were not impeded by their own Zionist leaders to leave Europe.
Find me proof that the "confessions" made by Nazis awaiting the gallows were not extracted by torture.
Find me proof that Jewish witnesses found to have committed perjury were punished for their sending innocent people to the gallows.
Find me proof that Jews who were placed in positions of power after the war did not commit atrocities themselves in the treatment of former Nazis and German civilians.
Find me proof that man's inhumanity to man did not involve the destruction of a nation to create another one.
Find me proof that the Jewish organizations did not interfere with historians and scientists in their quest to verify or debunk claims made from both sides.
Find me proof that man's inhumanity to man does not also involve bearing false witness and executing people for crimes they did not commit.
Find me proof that this inhumanity did not extend to Germany long after the war and now stands on the brink of becoming a global one.
Find me proof that the holocaust story is not just a club to beat nations out of money and subject them to the servitude the Zionist leaders demanded of their gentile hosts.
Find me proof that the holocaust story was not hatched by the Jewish leaders to force the world to give them Palestine.
Find me proof that the Zionists did not refuse the offers made to relocate them.
Find me proof in the form of a directorate, document stating the German policy of the genocide of Jews.
Find me proof that they did not die of starvation and typhus as did millions across Europe and the Balkins and that the majority went to "gas chambers".

The burden to defend this story rests on those making the claims.
The holocaust deniers have sufficiently proved their points and were promptly prosecuted and imprisoned for it.
When you can prove the claims and justify the executions for those claims, then you have done something.
Until then, the defense of these claims by the same methods the Jews employed to make them at the "Nuremberg circus"is BULLSHIT

(And, of course, the next poster promptly gives him the emoticon for a salute.)

Raven, WAR ON YOU forums 10 Comments [10/30/2008 7:00:33 PM]
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That thread is like a trainwreck. You just can't look away.

10/30/2008 7:47:20 PM

M.M.

That thread is like a trainwreck.

The thread? More like the entire forum.

10/30/2008 9:12:36 PM



"Prove to me that XYZ did not happen."

The oldest fallacy in the book - used two million times in one post.

10/30/2008 9:36:19 PM

ozznova

Odd... this quote seemed to have disappeared from the RSTDT page.

10/31/2008 6:41:18 AM

Jay-Sus

So I guess the Holocaust survivor who came to my school last year and even showed his serial number didn't happen.

Show me proof that you're not some Holocaust denying mouth breather.

11/1/2008 4:12:51 AM

Delirium

TL;DR

Also, the burden of proof is on you. You're the one making the assertion. For the most part, you can't prove a negative.

11/1/2008 11:12:05 PM



There are, your point is?

1/1/2009 1:10:15 PM



Find me proof that there were gas chambers at the camps.

Lets see: http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&ei=GaclStDXD42GNZif4YEF&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=auschwitz+gas+chambers&spell=1

Find me proof that there was a systemic plan to kill all the Jews.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/hitler_01.shtml , an explanation that the Jews were the target of Hitler

Find me proof that 6 million died in the camps.

Where else did the 6 million go?
Find me proof that they had the means to cremate 6 million bodies.

Over the course of 3 years, at multiple locations, with hundeds of furnices each, it was very easy. It wasn't holy ritual cremating, it was hasty creamating.

Find me proof that the corpses put in pits were Jews and not Germans.

The large drop in Jews after WW2, the fact that we have records of Jews experimented on in camps, the fact that if there were Germans, they would have been fighting in the war, the fact thi was IN POLAND!


Find me proof that the museum presents all evidence as it stood during the war.

Find proof it doesn't, we have the document, poke holes in them

Find me proof on which they base that number on of 6 million.

German records/ censuses before and after Holocaust

Find me proof that all the stories told at the trials were in fact the truth.

Not all are truth, ut some are. Some SS operatives tell these stories.

Find me proof that the Germans lied in their accounts of the final days of the war.

???What???

Find me proof that Jews were total victims of the fascists and not sold out by their own leaders.

What do we have to gain, if we wanted to get mass murdered to take over the world, why did we wait so long?

Find me proof that the Russians did not fabricate evidence to convict Germans of war crimes.

Because the Allies found these camps dumb***

Find me proof that the showers could have possibly served as gas chambers.

Fixed: Find me proof how rusted old showers, with traces of poisonous gases still on the walls, have sevred as showers. Also, how many poeple die going to the shower?

Find me proof that they had no showers, just delousing chambers and gas chambers.

If 100 people go to take a shower and don't come back, something is up. Would the Germans waste good water on these prisoners.

Find me proof that they have not been shouting 6 million at the first WW.

???WHAT???

Find me proof that there was ever any Zyklon used in the "showers turned gas chambers".

Tanks labeld Zyklon, SS acounts, tace elements/effects.

Find me proof that since the only camp to have a gas chamber was on the Soviet occupied
side they did not alter the showers.

Allies found these too dumb***

Find me proof that the Russians were not trying to shift the blame to the Germans for crimes
they had committed during the war and after.

With Russia low on funds, on supplies, but on the winning side, therefore not likeley to defend war crimes charges, would build a large camp and give blame to the Germans.


Find me proof that Gemar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel and other researchers are wrong in their scientific analysis of the evidence gathered from the walls of the "chambers".

The many credible scientists who disagree

Find me one scientist who would debunk what these researchers have presented.

everyone else

Find one reason why this issue is sacrosanct.

The murder of millions for their religion.

Find me one reason why the " graves" were covered over in boulders as "artwork" when historians suggested digging at some sites to verify the claims of thousands of bodies put in pits.

???WHAT???
Find me proof that there were less Jews in Europe after the war than before.

Look up censuses, the many people who ha lost 20 or 30 freinds.

Find me proof that they sent the Jews to camps to exterminate them across hundreds of miles when on site executions would have been more efficient.

They didn't want to kill at first, it was a holding camp, but soon it shifted to murder.

Find me proof that they did this secretly when they summarily executed many others openly and without the slightest hesitation.

They wanted no evidence of this so as not to draw wven mr=ore anger. If some nutral countries found out, they would have gone to war.


Find me proof that they tried to cover this when they blew up their munitions storage but not the "gas chambers" or their records?

They didn't try to cover this, they thought people would marvel at it. They believed seriously in this stuff.

Find me proof from the archives kept by the Soviets for decades before turning them over in 1984 that any genocide was policy.

SS officials, the ones who made policy, said it was. Sounds like you didn't read this policy paper either.

Also, it was very secretive, so maybe it wasn't in policy memos.

Find me proof that the Jews who were nothing more than slave labor and even had a brothel and pool in their camps were sent there to be killed.

Brothel? Pool? evidence for that? How about Gas Chambers, the SS manifesto, the rides on the trains where they were put on rails with little rations and no help for months (look it up). Why would the Germans waste a pool on the slaves?

Find me proof of the genocide orders when the German Command complained to camp directors of the high numbers of deaths from disease among the inmates and demanded they take better care of them.

They were originaly detention camps, then became death camps. if this warning was pre-1943 then it is moot.

Find me proof that they above all others were systemically killed.

Above all others? Maybe it was Hitlers "The Jews did it!" Manfesto.

Find me proof that they were not impeded by their own Zionist leaders to leave Europe.

???WHAT???

Find me proof that the "confessions" made by Nazis awaiting the gallows were not extracted by torture.

Because whoever prosicuted these people wouldn't have commited a war crime to prove someone guily of a war crime. Prosecuters don't get to tourture defndants.

Find me proof that Jewish witnesses found to have committed perjury were punished for their sending innocent people to the gallows.

???WHAT???

Find me proof that Jews who were placed in positions of power after the war did not commit atrocities themselves in the treatment of former Nazis and German civilians.

Because they were outside Germany/In the camps dumb***.

Find me proof that man's inhumanity to man did not involve the destruction of a nation to create another one.

???WHAT??? This had nothing to do with Israel. Before the war, there were talks about creating a Jewish homeland in Australia, but the talks shefted to Palestine. Hitler, wanting to send the Jews away, was responsible for this happening PRE-WAR!!!

Find me proof that the Jewish organizations did not interfere with historians and scientists in their quest to verify or debunk claims made from both sides.

Yes, we have the resourses. NOT.

Find me proof that man's inhumanity to man does not also involve bearing false witness and executing people for crimes they did not commit.

???WHAT????

Find me proof that this inhumanity did not extend to Germany long after the war and now stands on the brink of becoming a global one.

Jews don't rule the world, okay.

Find me proof that the holocaust story is not just a club to beat nations out of money and subject them to the servitude the Zionist leaders demanded of their gentile hosts.

Because the Zionists disbanded after Israel was created. If they ruled the world, they would clear up Israel's problems first.

Find me proof that the holocaust story was not hatched by the Jewish leaders to force the world to give them Palestine.

Because we didn't have the resources, we were in concentration camps!!!

Find me proof that the Zionists did not refuse the offers made to relocate them.

Because the Zionists wanted Israel, the other Jews may have been fine, but the Zionist leaders wanted Palistine PRE-WAR.

Find me proof in the form of a directorate, document stating the German policy of the genocide of Jews.

SS testimonies, Gas Chambers (redundant ?)

Find me proof that they did not die of starvation and typhus as did millions across Europe and the Balkins and that the majority went to "gas chambers".

If they died like that in German camps (many did) it was still mass murder. By your own admission, this was real.

6/2/2009 6:02:40 PM

Robespierre

1) The gas chambers, crematories, and other equipment were built by private contractors. Does that count?
2) Wannsee conference.
3) Camp records.
4) They did not burn most of them.
5) Camp records, censuses.
6) No, it's partially reconstructed.
7) Again, camp records.
8)/9) So, is it a lie or not?
10) Jews WERE partially sold out by their leaders, as the Israeli trial of Eichmann pointed out.
11) Stalin was himself an anti-Semite. Also, 20 million soviet dead during the war was reason enough.
12)/13) Camps did ALSO have real showers.
14)THE GERMANS DEPORTED JEWS FROM ALL OVER EUROPE. Russians did not.
15) Find we proof that 6 million people vanished without a reason.
16)/17)/18) Spurious claims.
19) Censuses. 3 million < 9 million.
20) On site executions require manpower, and caused psychological trauma for the soldiers and policemen involved (one reason why gas chambers were operated by Jews). On the spot executions were used until 1942, but industrialized murder works better.
21) Because concentrating, deporting and executing worked better with compliant Jews, hence no public extermination policy.
22) They also tried to blow up camp structures.
23) We have plenty of German archives.
24) Spurious claim.
25) German Command does not exist.
26) No, Communists and Socialists were the first.
27) Zionists wanted Jews to leave Europe, and as Eichmann clumsily stated in his trial, Nazis wanted that too. It was the conquest of Poland (3 million Jews) and European Russia (3 million more) that made evacuation impractical.
28) Their imprisonment and trials were public.
29) Spurious claim.
30) What atrocities?
31) If so, then what?
32) It may ALSO be a club.
33) See 27).
34) See 2)
35) The majority DID die of starvation and typhus. That tends to happen, when you concentrate several tens of thousands of people in abject conditions, and feed them next to nothing.

6/1/2011 7:23:27 PM

Colgate

No, you're right. The 6 million Jews just left on vacation and never came back. I can't fathom how any reasonable person wouldn't accept your stunning logic. Asshole.

6/2/2011 8:29:14 PM
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