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(After pointing out that there is no sin in newborn baby, as there is no sin a kitten or a puppy. I shouldn't poked that fundy)

If you look at a newborn baby you would know they are born sinners because they cry so much (there is much going on there); then, when they grow up we have never found a single human being in history that was without sin except Jesus to further prove the point. If you shut your mind down to reality of sin, you infuse more sin into your life, and that can't be a joyous life.

Children who have no moral center in life that is Christ don't grow up as happy because they have no direction except self. There is more to life than self. Living for others and not for self is better by far.

If sin didn't exist, there would be no need for jails.

God doesn't say you can save yourself by being a productive member of society, but through grace alone in Christ by accepting His perfect ransom. Your idea is entirely illogical, for you sin and even sin thinking there is no sin, so when someone kills someone else you think that is perfectly fine. How twisted! Only God can save. You can't save yourself. All sin needs to be punished one way or another. Deal with it! That's reality.

With the Holy Spirit, you can better know God's will for your life because you have accepted His only begotten Son, the perfect life, and have eternal life, an ability to know God and His will, whence before you were stumbling around in darkness.

(yeah, and children go straight to hell when they die, thank you very much. Wacko!"

What Really Is The Truth?, Comment on fstdt post 56 Comments [11/10/2008 6:04:23 AM]
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Ambrielle

sin, sin, sin, sin, sin, sin, sin, sin, siiiiiiiiiiiiiin.

11/10/2008 6:12:35 AM



Lady, infants cry because they need to in order to survive. If infants didn't look out for their own needs, they would die. That isn't sin, that's survival instinct!



11/10/2008 6:14:47 AM

Grimesy

What you have written here is a vile, evil, twisted piece of sin. I hereby knight thee Sir completely and utterly fucking retarded. And that is complete crap that you can only live for other people. I sure as all fuck aint living for you!

11/10/2008 6:16:08 AM

myheadhurts

So ef u babee es cryen... smack it cus it be sinnen!

11/10/2008 6:23:21 AM

Allegory for Jesus

"you would know they are born sinners because they cry so much"

Owww...my brain hurts...

11/10/2008 6:30:07 AM

J. Random Lurker

Wow. And I thought for the longest time that nobody could possibly be this stupid. Then again, it's Royt-ay Rooksb-ay...

11/10/2008 6:34:05 AM

Mortok

You know what else is sinful? Rocks. Devious, evil little bastards those rocks are, and pebbles are even worse. Whenever you see a rock, give it a good kick! That'll make it accept the Lord.

11/10/2008 6:58:41 AM

Clown

Guess who's the guy that wrote that? Troy.
And I poked the bastard, I admit in shame. I should have used poker, like Susan Sto-Helit. Mayhaps he would have dissapeared before the dawn.
The last comment about the children going to hell is mine sarcastic remark.

Damn, the amount of insanity is still hurting my eyes :-(

11/10/2008 7:09:54 AM

Kimby

So if all babies are sinners, why are the fundies so against abortions?

11/10/2008 7:39:56 AM

Knight of L-sama

All right, this is the best argument I've heard for forced sterilisation. No child deserves this sort of thing in a parent.

11/10/2008 8:06:43 AM

David

Prisons are built with bricks of Law.
Brothels are built on bricks of Religion.
(William Blake)

11/10/2008 8:11:11 AM

Antichrist

Damn it he's back. And arguing on a OP from 2003. Same old rhetoric. Troys tune never changes. If his god exists, wouldn't he be punished for driving us all away from heaven?

11/10/2008 8:32:54 AM

Mudflappus

Always with the "only begotten son" stuff. Exactly what makes him any more "begotten" than the next only child? Am I begotten? Are you? All I know is that I begotten to bed cause it's late and I begotten to work in the morning.

11/10/2008 8:51:08 AM

Eden

Doesn´t sound like Jesus thought of the little kids as sinners. On the contrary, they are presented as a role model for people who want to go to heaven.
Maybe these fundies read so much from the old testament that they forget, that the bible also has another half ;)

Matthew 19:13-14
Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put [his] hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 18:10-11
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.


11/10/2008 8:55:25 AM

IanC

All babies cry - i have heard baby mice cry! Its how they communicate with their parents.

11/10/2008 9:23:55 AM

Nowonmai

Since a newborn baby lacks the capability of speech, the only recourse it has to communicate is to cry. That isn't a 'sin', you moron.

11/10/2008 10:23:28 AM

Tween

You people are insanely sick and twisted, newborn babies cry as an instinct for survival - not because they are sinful!

Which of the fucking ten commandments has any newborn baby broken?

Used the Lord's name in vain
Worshipped other gods
Made an idol
Worked on the Sabbath
Not honoured father and mother
Committed murder
Committed adultery
Stolen
Lied
Coveted a neighbours blankie, dummy, bottle

Even as far as Jesus's standards go, how many babies have

Called his/her brother a fool
Looked lustfully at a woman
Divorced a wife or husband
Harboured anger in his/her heart

Newborn babies are pure and innocent - ever smelled that beautiful pure new baby smell?

It is your constant obsession with sin, guilt and death and twisted veiw of reality that damage children!

Now dry up and blow away you warped little person.

11/10/2008 11:18:27 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

The HELL you say. Ive been raising my children for 7 years now to be without religion (I dont want to call them atheists, because they arent old enough to be called anything other than children..unlike you fundies who take a 2 year old baby, sling some water on it and call it a "christian").. my children are VERY happy growing up WITHOUT Christ or religion (i.e. the imaginary savior and cult activity) There is no sin, nor is there a god that can save from sin. There is no Heaven or Hell.. that pretty much makes your comment worthless.

11/10/2008 12:25:08 PM

Princess Rot

So you support abortion? Well, would it make a difference? We're all going to hell by your logic anyway.

11/10/2008 12:26:30 PM

a mind far far away

Babies cry because of sin? It's assholes like this that makes me wish I got to kill one person without any consequences. Other than that, the rest of this hogwash based on christian theology has no place in reality. There is no need to deal with sin because the christian concept of sin is not real. Ethics and morals are not based on a divinely sense of what's right and wrong, because their idea of right and wrong is based on a book, and not on one' conscience, common sense, or ethical code/sense of morality. This is why oftentimes atheists tend to be much more moral than christians, because atheists have a better grasp of what is good, and have a better reason to do what is good. However, if the christian god is who he says he is, sin shouldn't exist in the first place, or at the very least, be easier to deal with, without all the need for god killing himself to save his creation from his own wrath given because he created evil in the first place. This makes no sense.

11/10/2008 12:40:14 PM



and for some reason i have a feeling that this "grace" is achieved by being completely submissive to your church... and donating a lot of money to it.

11/10/2008 12:52:15 PM

Mister Spak

"we have never found a single human being in history that was without sin "

Yes because nobody has ever registered a '0' on the sin-o-meter.

11/10/2008 12:56:51 PM

Mr Smith

Of course new born babies sin if you define anything that a human does as sin!

11/10/2008 1:26:16 PM



Ugh. This is the same fundie that thinks the '4 Step Perfect Proof' is a good example of logic. LOL.

Go die in a fire!

11/10/2008 2:13:47 PM

Cap'n Mel

You're an asshole. Never breed.

11/10/2008 2:28:46 PM
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