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Jesus never had any free will.
(Post 24)

God does not possess free will in the same way that humans once had it (then all lost it throught the Fall and some have regained it through the new birth). I will give you your due that God is free to do what He wills.
(Post 36)

royalcrompton, h2g2 23 Comments [11/10/2008 10:46:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Giford
WTF?! || meh

Grigori Yefimovich

Hello? Is this your first day here? That's nice.

Here is a friend for you. He's called Calvin, and he lives at Christian Clarity. Off you go and have a nice little chat. You can have some milk and biscuits later.

[I... I don't know why I wrote that. I couldn't help myself. It's as if it were predestined...]

11/10/2008 10:59:59 AM

Jack Bauer

Chicken soup!

Things are always supposed to get better with chicken soup.

I don't like chicken soup, particularly the cheap supermarket brand ones.

Can things also get better with cream of mushroom soup? Despite the fact that it usually looks like baby puke...

Did I exercise Free Will (TM) by writing the above? I have not been born again... There are serious doubts about my original birth - Ah wuz born to be bad - bad as that there Leroy Brown... He one mofo of a serious bad dude.

11/10/2008 11:11:38 AM


The devil made me do it!

11/10/2008 11:25:08 AM

Onan the Barbarian

So God is Dr. Manhattan?

11/10/2008 11:44:08 AM

Doesn't this create a rather large hole in Christian theology?

1) Non-believers go to Hell unless they become believers.
2) Non-believers have no free will.
3) Lacking free will, non-believers cannot decide to become believers themselves.

11/10/2008 11:49:50 AM


Wait a minute. We don't have any free will unless we go through your phoney-baloney spiritual rejuvenation process? But if we don't have free will, then whether or not we decide to do it is already pre-determined, which means all the people God sends to hell really had no way of getting out of it.

And you believe in this guy?

11/10/2008 11:53:15 AM


Calvinism is so fucking stupid.

11/10/2008 12:35:55 PM

a mind far far away

Jacobus Arminius would disagree with you. So would John Wesley, Charles Fox Parham, the church fathers, and countless other christian theologians who don't accept John Calvin's doctrine. But this is new. Applying Calvinism not only to humans, but to god as well? That's interesting. Bullshittery, but interesting.

11/10/2008 12:58:30 PM

Mr Smith

I will give you your due that God is free to do what He wills.

A perfect being isn't capable of doing anything.

11/10/2008 1:27:38 PM


"God does not possess free will" ... "God is free to do what He wills."

Odd (and un-Biblical) as Calvinism is, it at least is internally consistent!

11/10/2008 1:30:52 PM

Cap'n Mel

I have just one thing to say.


Thank you.

11/10/2008 2:24:43 PM


Free will doesn't exist, and God is dead.

This is not difficult to understand.

11/10/2008 2:30:00 PM


Stop capitalising his name. He's simply a bloodlusting, foreskin-munching, misogynist little goblin who SAYS he is god.

I wouldn't trust that one to build a decent doghouse, much less the Cosmos.

11/10/2008 3:38:54 PM


Yes, yes. God indeed IS Dr. Manhattan.

Or, you know, the other way around. Whichever works.

11/10/2008 3:40:52 PM


Yes, the evidence for this is clear.

11/10/2008 3:41:32 PM


Pfft. I figured out that God can't have free will years ago.

11/10/2008 3:56:22 PM



11/10/2008 4:18:09 PM


That is so true. Now, time for your meds.

11/10/2008 4:36:29 PM



11/10/2008 4:48:52 PM


Poor Jesus must be sick of his fanboys.

11/10/2008 7:47:30 PM


If by "free will" you mean "no free will", then yes.

11/10/2008 8:13:59 PM

Old Viking

This is why theology is fast becoming a national craze.

11/10/2008 10:06:05 PM


If we take into account the belief of many fundamentalists, that god is omniscient, it is the logical conclusion that god cannot have a free will.
After all with this knowledge god also know in advance, what he will do and therefore will be forced to do what he has seen he will do, or create a Paradoxon :D

11/10/2008 11:41:53 PM