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No evidence? Hundreds of thousands of people saw Jesus in his 25 years of preaching. So Pilate, Ceasar, the Roman guards who punished him who have an account of his resurrection, is all fake? The Native Americans tell stories which are passed down. Native Americans tell about a big flood. They also tell about a man who is sent by God. But Jesus left a multitude of evidence behind, just open your eyes and look.

RJB610121, Youtube 46 Comments [11/12/2008 6:00:44 PM]
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#764677
sooze

The Native Americans tell stories which are passed down. Native Americans tell about a big flood.

Yeah, so do Louisianians, Einstein.

11/12/2008 6:03:20 PM
#764704
Jezebel's Evil Sister

Strange, isn't it, that none of the "thousands of people" who supposedly saw and interacted with God, Jr. ever wrote a word about it — not even about that time when he went down to hell and as a result Jerusalem suffered an earthquake and a zombie infestation, which one would think would be a newsworthy event. It's almost as if such a person and/or deity was only a myth created years after his supposed life.

BTW, no where in the bible does it say that Ceasar or even Caesar saw Jebus or knew anything about him. And he supposedly preached for about 3 years, not 25. (Of course, we can't expect fundies to have actually read the bible; they leave that up to atheists.)

11/12/2008 6:11:42 PM
#764715


Yeah, so do Louisianians, Einstein.

Oh shit, I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that. XD

11/12/2008 6:15:24 PM
#764724
David D.G.

"Hundreds of thousands of people saw Jesus in his 25 years of preaching."

The Bible describes Jesus' ministry as lasting 3 years, not 25. Don't these people even pretend to read their own (alleged) holy book?


"So Pilate, Ceasar, the Roman guards who punished him who have an account of his resurrection, is all fake?"

No such accounts have ever been produced; these are exactly the sort of extrabiblical evidence that nonbelievers insist that believers produce to back up their claims, but they can't, because it doesn't exist. All they have is empty, lying claims like this one.


~David D.G.

11/12/2008 6:17:37 PM
#764733
Headache

History is silent when it comes to your fantasy.

11/12/2008 6:21:22 PM
#764756
a mind far far away

Jesus only preached 3 years. He lived for 33 years (actually, he was probably closer to 38 when he died, if he even lived). All those people you mention, Pilate, Caesar, the Roman guards, you say they have accounts of his resurrection. Well, where are they? Why have we never seen them? Almost all cultures have accounts of a great flood, but this in and of itself is not proof for a universal flood. They all could have been localized floods, even if they were of a great magnitude. And Native Americans do not tell of any such thing as a man who is sent by God. You're thinking of Mormonism, which, I have to admit, is more credible than anything you could offer (Mormonism is only credible because they, unlike most protestants, actually practice what they preach). And Jesus left us NO evidence. Neither did his followers. It's not until the third generation of christians that we have anything concrete to go by. And by that time, too much myth had creeped into the stories of the supposed god-man savior. It's all based on a conglomeration of judaism, paganism, and zoroastrianism anyway.

11/12/2008 6:31:51 PM
#764819
Gressil

We do have lots of writings by Caesar but he's actually silent on the life and works of ol' JC. Now this could be a conspiracy by the Illuminati to suppress all the information but is more likely due to the fact that Caesar was assassinated forty years before Christ was supposedly born.

11/12/2008 6:51:14 PM
#764838
Brenz

Carl Weathers does not prove the existence of the Bluth family.

11/12/2008 7:00:17 PM
#764841
aaa

Cite, kid.

11/12/2008 7:00:38 PM
#764866
Allegory for Jesus

"Hundreds of thousands of people saw Jesus in his 25 years of preaching."

And yet there are nearly no records aside from those given to us in the Bible, all written after his death, despite living in a society where a moderate proportion were literate. Considering that, the evidence he left was negligible, unless you count the (probably fradulent) shroud of Turin and a tomb with no evidence in it as a form of evidence.

11/12/2008 7:13:39 PM
#764894
anevilmeme

Read your fucking bible, his ministry lasted 3 years not 25.

11/12/2008 7:29:01 PM
#764897
Doctor Whom

History and your own Bible both disagree. Have a blessed day.

11/12/2008 7:29:59 PM
#764917
Old Viking

Yep, he roamed around (for three years), defying the Jewish religious authorities, defying Roman civil authority, preaching, drawing huge throngs, performing miracles, and eventually rising from the dead. And not one, single, solitary soul who lived at the time saw fit to mention any of this. That's some tough audience.

11/12/2008 7:43:51 PM
#764947
tracer

"Native Americans tell about a big flood. They also tell about a man who is sent by God."


Mormon much?

11/12/2008 8:01:47 PM
#765091
daken

Can any of these people come forward and give me some evidence? Or how about another book besides the bible, that mentions Jesus?

11/12/2008 8:55:33 PM
#765112
Devonian

There's more evidence for Bigfoot than Jesus... and there ain't a lot of evidence for Bigfoot.

11/12/2008 9:03:49 PM
#765124
Reverdy

@Old Viking--it was an empire wide cover-up,engineered by
Rome's Liberal Media

11/12/2008 9:11:07 PM
#765146
Hobo

Native Americans tell about a big flood.

Every culture has flood stories. Humans tend to live near water. Water occasionally floods and kills people. Every stone age culture thinks it happened all over the world because a few hundred square miles is all of the world they've ever seen.

11/12/2008 9:22:23 PM
#765157
-i

Reverdy: And the Roman Gay Agenda as well, surely? ;)

11/12/2008 9:31:59 PM
#765163
Reverdy

-i
Of course.

R

11/12/2008 9:36:29 PM
#765178
CailinBan

Actually, the synoptic gospels (i.e. the first three) have Jesus' ministry as only a year, or even less. It's only John that has it for 3 years, and that's the version which has come down to received 'wisdom'.

11/12/2008 9:43:31 PM
#765209
Horsefeathers

"No evidence? Hundreds of thousands of people saw Jesus in his 25 years of preaching."

Yeah? So where are their writings? At least a few of them had to have been literate. Why have no contemporary accounts come down to us? Why are there no detractors writing about him? Why does no historian of the era mention him? Why did Jesus himself not write anything? You'd think god incarnate would be literate and more than capable of preserving such a document.

"So Pilate, Ceasar, the Roman guards who punished him who have an account of his resurrection, is all fake?"

There are no accounts by any of them as far as I'm aware.

"The Native Americans tell stories which are passed down. Native Americans tell about a big flood."

Native Americans, like most people without drilling technology, chose to live near rivers. Rivers tend to flood. Sometimes they really flood and for a people who likely lived their entire lives in an area of a few miles it would seem that the entire Earth was covered with water.

Of course, most Native American accounts don't match very closely with Noah's flood anyway.

"They also tell about a man who is sent by God."

So do a lot of other cultures. The Aztec's, for example, were wiped out because they believed Cortes to be Quetzalcoatl incarnate or a representative sent by Quetzalcoatl.

"But Jesus left a multitude of evidence behind, just open your eyes and look."

I'd love to see it.

11/12/2008 9:57:42 PM
#765217
apYrs

I thought he only started preaching when he was about 30 (if he existed at all)

And records/citations needed of all claims please

11/12/2008 10:03:24 PM
#765256
fundi-lusional

I'm confused. There's only one group of "native americans??" Cuz, the last time I checked, there were many. My particular BAND of what you call "native americans" does NOT have a tale of a man who is sent by "god," because there is no such thing as one "god." There are spirits, protectors, ancestors, but not "one god."

Oh, and I am supposed to believe the accounts of people in some bronze age novel? Geez, I guess I will also believe the accounts in that one novel written by L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics...yep, I can just see the Body Thetans attached to me; Or I can read the accounts of the talking farm animals in "Charlotte's Web," then witness the fun as I go to my friend's goat farm and engage her milking goat in a stimulating conversation about religious fundies. Because all of that is just as likely as the stories in your babble.

11/12/2008 10:29:21 PM
#765265
Philbert McAdamia

That's my favorite chapter in the bible, when Jesus and Noah took a trip to visit the Indians.

11/12/2008 10:34:45 PM
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