[This is my favourite part of what is in full a hilarious "dialogue" between a "real-life" gay student and Professor Theo]
I was about to go on, but abruptly he changed the subject: "It's attitudes like yours that killed Matthew Shepard."
"Surely you don't imagine that the thugs who killed Matthew Shepard were Christians, do you?" I smiled at the absurdity of the thought, but seeing that he misunderstood my smile I made my face serious and tried again.
"Lawrence, I deplore the violence that killed Matthew Shepard, and I'm glad those men were caught. But shouldn't we also grieve the urge which caused Matthew Shepard to be sexually attracted to violent strangers?"
He said only, "You hate me."
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I don't seem to see where you denied that charge....(things that make you go hhhmmmmm).
Edit. Actually He did if you read it all... but only in his simplistic Xian invitaion to live with him in "heaven".
The great thing about made up conversations is that nobody ever disagrees with you.
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"Does, too"
"does not!"
"Does, too"
"Ok, fair enough, but we've got a split personality, remember?"
I read the whole "article" and the "Professor" spews the same homophobic comments as the rednecks on YouTube and takes advantage of his position of authority to belittle a student who doesn't seem to have a very strong grasp of debate.
I don't know if it's true: it sounds kind of like a made-up fantasy rant.
I think he forgot to mention the part about the kid hissing at him after he burned him, and how he slithered away on his belly, back to gaytown
because it all totes happened am i rite
"This dialogue, like all Office Hours dialogues, is fiction, but it is based on actual events: the "second thoughts" of Theophilus' visitor closely resemble the real-life testimony of an ex-gay who is a friend of the author."
This was addressed at the beginning of "Part Two", which actually has nothing to do with "Lawrence", but note that both are filed under Office Hours. Note also, however, that this little "disclaimer" wasn't displayed under the story about Lawrence.
You're a fucking, closet-case wanker, Budziszewskibrewskiwhateveryourfuckingnamereallyis.
I smile at the absurdity of your no true scotsman.
moar lulz;
"Me reject you?" I said. "Aren't you the one who rejects what is different than yourself? Don't you reject the challenge of the other sex?"
You do realise that this works both ways, right?
I spoke quietly. "Tell me what's loving about sex acts that cause bleeding, choking, disease and pain," I suggested. "You might start by explaining the meaning of the medical term 'Gay Bowel Syndrome,' or how people get herpes lesions on their tonsils."
I would be surprised if anybody could define that medical term offhand as I have three textbooks of clinical medicine next to me and none of them mention it. When Conservapedia is your first google result for something, it's most likely nonsense, but absolutely none of the conditions mentioned in this 'syndrome' are exclusive to homosexuals. Not even slightly.
I also never cease to be amazed at how apparently only gay sex causes disease and pain.
This here is exactly why I have contempt for religion, at least the organized kind. It's just lies, lies, lies, and more lies, to them it's not wrong to bend the truth as long as it puts their religion in a better light. Religion is nothing but lying to yourself, I guess, and if you can't be honest with yourself, how can you be honest with others.
And WHAT he lied over is pretty pathetic. "Don't accuse me of bigotry just because I equate homosexuality and murder!"
Except the student didn't aim it at your faith. He aimed it at your attitude towards homosexuality. And while Matthew was foolish to get into a vehicle with two strangers, first, bad decisions is not a capital crime, and as such does not make one worthy of death, and two, the two posed as homosexuals in a gay club. They were hunting, you colossal fuck.
"Surely you don't imagine that the thugs who killed Matthew Shepard were Christians, do you?"
Of course they were Christians, assuming you're speaking English. If you're speaking your own private language where you've redefined "Christian" to mean "me and the handful of evangelicals who agree with me", then 99% of the world isn't "Christian".
whats idiotic about this whole thing, besides the fact that its made up bullshit is, it doesn't even use real arguments, it uses stupid strawman ones.
plus it brings up gay bowel syndrome, i wish the anti-gay people would stop with the GBS crap, ITS NOT FUCKING REAL!
1: I highly doubt this conversation happened anywhere, other than in your imagination.
2: Yes, the men who beat Mark Shepard, and left him for dead, proudly proclaimed their Christianity.
3: Mark didn't attract these murderers. They felt THEIR sexuality was in question, for reasons I can't fathom.
4: You are a fuckwit, so take a hike.
Plot line is really thin and the characters are shallow and stereotypical, spouting nothing but platitudes and polemic. The narrator fixes the article by giving himself all the good lines and creating an immature, less intellectual opponent as a punching bag to dominate. I give it a D-.
But shouldn't we also grieve the urge which caused Matthew Shepard to be sexually attracted to violent strangers
No. Just because he's attracted to other men does not mean he deserved to die.
He said only, "You hate me."
He's right.
Lawrence, I deplore the violence that killed Matthew Shepard your sister, and I'm glad those men were caught. But shouldn't we also grieve the urge which caused Matthew Shepard your sister to be sexually attracted to violent strangers?"
Notice how, with two minor changes, the sentence suddenly reveals its true essence: the dribblings of a rape apologist.
"But shouldn't we also grieve the urge which caused Matthew Shepard to be sexually attracted to violent strangers?"
And thus we begin the blame the victim the game. Right after a wink-wink-nudge-nudge-No True Scotsman fallacy. How...Christian of you.
What pisses me off most about this (and it is one of many, many things that piss me off about this) is that it makes orientation entirely about sex. You can be gay without ever having gay sex. (And, if you do, there is absolutely nothing God can do about it.)
Including the "real" ending:
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I was about to go on, but abruptly he changed the subject: "It's attitudes like yours that killed Matthew Shepard."
"Surely you don't imagine that the thugs who killed Matthew Shepard were Christians, do you?" I smiled at the absurdity of the thought, but seeing that he misunderstood my smile I made my face serious and tried again.
"Lawrence, I deplore the violence that killed Matthew Shepard, and I'm glad those men were caught. But shouldn't we also grieve the urge which caused Matthew Shepard to be sexually attracted to violent strangers?"
He said only, "You hate me."
Then he looked at me with his dreamy blue eyes, and asked "Do you want to blow me right here?"
I smiled wearily at the thought of this and said "Yes."
...
See, this is why fantasy fiction does not make a compelling argument.
Yup..typical Christian bullshit..claim that the bag guys were never really Christians. Yeah, why not say the atheists were the ones who killed Matt.
At least we admit that Stalin was an atheist..you fundies dont even want to admit Hitler was one of yours.
Guys, this is a totally real conversation that I had with Professor Theophilus:
"Hi! I am Professor Theophilus."
I turned, "Ummm, Hi?"
"I eat kittens."
I cringed. "WTF? Are you joking?"
"No, I really do eat kittens."
It's pretty easy to win an argument that takes place entirely in your imagination.
Yet you can't even do that convincingly.
Spectacular and sickening FAIL.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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