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["There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."]
They're not even sure in their own faith is what gets me...
[11/18/2008 12:43:05 AM]
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Submitted By: Tom S. Fox
Uncertainty is the point. At least they're not afraid to admit it.
11/18/2008 1:00:26 AM
Back to the drawing board...
11/18/2008 1:01:25 AM
It was originally going to be 'There is almost certainly no god' but they changed it.
Perhaps it didn't fit!
'god is dead' works for me.
11/18/2008 1:01:32 AM
The ultimate horror - to admit to yourself that you don't know everything.
11/18/2008 1:02:13 AM
For the record I'm an atheist. If you read what I post and say I should call myself an agnostic, that's fine. I don't care either way.
11/18/2008 1:14:25 AM
If there is a God, I'm sure he's more understanding than you fuckwads at Rupturd Ready
11/18/2008 1:16:38 AM
I guess I'm basically agnostic. I don't know if there is a higher intelligence somewhere. There may be. But it's certainly not the biblical God and I don't think that "it" really has involvement in our day to day live here on earth.
So I don't worry about it, and I do enjoy my life, family, friends and kids. I guess we will all find out when we die. Till then? Live and let live.
11/18/2008 1:26:28 AM
J. Random Lurker
Here's the thing:
As Dawkins has pointed out, there are a few atheists that do claim there absolutely is no god with the same fervour that a strong theist claims there absolutely is.
While I cannot speak for all atheists, I believe that the majority of us believe that since there is no objective evidence for any god's existence and that the probability of said god's existence is at best highly improbable, we are inclined to believe there are no gods. However, if any independent and objectively concrete evidence came to light, I do believe many of us would reconsider in light of said evidence.
11/18/2008 1:28:22 AM
I am totally sure about my faith. I praise and worship Akira.
11/18/2008 1:37:24 AM
Atheism isn't a faith. It's a judgment. And like all such, is is tentative, since it depends upon evidence.
As for faith, you'll agree that for everybody except 'The One True Church tm' its the way to get things wrong with certainty.
11/18/2008 1:38:42 AM
I'm agreeing with an RR'er for the second time in over two years. The "probably" seems to be a tip of the hat to pure logic. But it makes the statement mushy and wimpy. All this fine-tuning about strong atheists and weak atheists is an interesting intellectual exercise. But if you're recruiting for a war, the slogan "Slavery is probably wrong" will do you little good.
11/18/2008 1:51:17 AM
Us atheists admit that we aren't certain about everything, and if there is proof we're wrong, we'll admit it, Unlike your lot.
11/18/2008 1:54:01 AM
My personal philosophy is that I am an atheist when it comes to all known religions on Earth. I am willing to get classified as an agnostic when it comes to the possibility for the existence of a supreme being somewhere in the universe.
Of course, that doesn't mean I believe said supreme being is the one who created it all.
I would need conclusive proof, something no religious individual is able to give me.
11/18/2008 2:21:46 AM
It's not a faith!!!
11/18/2008 2:46:07 AM
@ J. Random Lurker and Grimesy:
I think this is why I call myself a realist rather than an atheist. No, I don't believe in god - any god - like I don't believe in the dragon that might or might not live under my bed. But if god - any god, or the dragon - suddenly revealed itself to me with incontrovertible proof that it was what it claimed to be, then I will (more or less) happily admit that I was wrong.
Though I don't expect it to happen. And I would not be at all inclined to worship it, even if it
Edit - and Berny beat me to it while I was typing...
11/18/2008 3:07:11 AM
I'd rather be almost certain of something's existence or lack there of than to be absolutely dead wrong when thinking of the positive existence of that same thing. What gets me is that fundies cannot ascertain that they MAY be wrong!
11/18/2008 3:16:34 AM
Allegory for Jesus
"Rational doubts? Pffft. Where's your hardcore certainty that makes you into a mirror image of us? Wimps."
On a serious note: I think that it is important that the "probably" is there, because otherwise the poster would just be feeding into the strawman of atheism that we are absolutely certain that "God" cannot exist. Rather than merely disbelieving in a ludicrous proposition, that would make us come off as strangely and adamantly opposed to a very remote, but highly esteemed, unverifiable possibility. The "probably" moves the spotlight from us being obstinate contrarians to merely being skeptics. And I think that that is vital.
11/18/2008 3:26:43 AM
I don't consider the difference between strong atheism and weak atheism to be a trifle. One is certainty, the other uncertainty.
11/18/2008 3:46:37 AM
Faith in what?
11/18/2008 3:55:56 AM
Rat of Steel
"I am totally sure about my faith. I praise and worship Akira."
Akira...as in Hokuto, perhaps?
So do I
*pant, pant, pant*
11/18/2008 4:18:58 AM
See the problem is, most will understand and even applaud Jesus' teachings but you folk tend not to portray those things in your ramblings and bigotry and not to mention your adamant circular logic insisting a 6000 YO earth when all evidence shows that galaxies light years away means God could not have created it all 6000 years ago.
You take on the culture of goat herders and think it fits in this day and age but are not consistent with the goat herder traditions thus you are ridiculed.
If you lived your life just 10% of what Jesus was, then maybe folk would take you seriously, but I guess reading does not cut it and what the pastor says goes.
11/18/2008 4:20:04 AM
I'm so unsure about faith, I don't have any.
11/18/2008 4:25:01 AM
So if you admit to agnosticism (as some have in this thread), you open up the possibility that God does exist.
That leaves you a choice. Will you or won't you seek if He is real before you die?
IF God is real, the Bible is clear that after you die, it is too late to accept Him.
Imagine what kicking yourself would feel like, knowing you lost your chance for all eternity. ...because you spent your life assuming what you thought was the most logical.
"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall
search for me with ALL your heart."
"I love them that love me; and those that seek me early
shall find me."
Jesus who knew no sin, became sin in your place, so that you may be forgiven and have a restored relationship with God. Repent and turn to Jesus, and you will be saved.
Seek Him in earnest by the Bible, and by prayer, and He will make Himself known to you.
11/18/2008 4:43:19 AM
I'm agnostic atheist. I don't know for sure that there is no god, but I have no reason to believe that there is or to even entertain the possibility.
11/18/2008 4:48:32 AM
@Plink: Sure, God might be real. Now the question is "Is he your god?" Should I also be open to the fact that Islam is the true path to Heaven? Or what if Zoroaster had it right? Maybe I should be Bahai?
11/18/2008 4:50:35 AM