[Thread entitled 'Fundamentally dealing with suicide threats']
I think I can sum up the solution in one word.
Of course this one word is a pretty powerful one.
Gospel.
Yep The Gospel is the answer.
Is the threat of suicide sin? Yes.
Is the threat of suicide selfish? Yes
Does it disregard God's sovereignty? Yes
Does it violate the image of God? Yes
Does Christ's blood cover ALL of these sins? Yes!
This is the answer, not secular counseling.
I believe both the honesty about the sinfulness of the situation and the compassion and the love of Christ are both needed.
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So, how about provoking religious leaders and jumpy imperial occupiers to execute you, even knowingly allowing someone to go betray you and then passively aiding the people you know want you dead? That's a form of suicide, right?
If suicide's a sin, there goes the sinlessness of Jesus.
Thaaaaat's right. They may be suicidal because of some hideous guilt. Make them feel even MORE guilty by reminding them that they are contemplating an unforgivable sin!
You are an asshole. Why don't you just try talking to them?
Right, so now instead of committing suicide, this person will be too afraid of damnation to do it. Instead, he'll probably go to an office, a church, or a school and start shooting in hopes that the police will kill him.
Fuck you sideways with a chainsaw.
This kind of attitude kills, literally *kills*, and these people are too mentally myopic to see that, too stupid to feel stupid, too selfish to care.
That's not only bad advice, that is potentially dangerous advice. If you honestly expect that you can't just tell a suicidal person the gospel and then everything will just magically be all better, and then top that off by telling them that secular couseling won't work. An approach like that can leave a suicidal person even more hopeless than before and could trigger a chain of events that leads to their death.
If you have ever had to watch a close friend spiral into a terminal depression, despite your best efforts to help them, then you would never, ever, recommend such an all or nothing concept to a suicidal person. There is no magic "here's the gospel, now your all better" solution to that kind of situation and suicidal people who have managed to get help more often than not have years and even a lifetime of therapy to work through it.
I honestly hope that you don't lose someone you care about because you could only be bothered to throw out some bible verses and attempt to convert them.
As someone who suffers from dysthimia, and contemplated suicide on a regular basis, I have this to say to you and that pathetic little fucker you call a "god" -
I was never so happy as when I became an atheist. In fact, that made my worse times a little bit lighter. It gave me control over my own life, which is something I desperately needed. And when I finally got help, I was all the better for it.
So, take your gospel, take your God, take your fucking advice and Shove it up your fucking ass you sorry piece of motherfucking shit
It's a shame that we can't charge people like this with manslaughter. It seems like they encourage suicide rates.
I don't even believe in your bullshit and it makes me want to jump.
"Does Christ's blood cover ALL of these sins? Yes! "
So now you're saying it's ok to kill yourself? Make up your damn mind!
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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