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Anyways, the article that Eru mentioned [from a science magazine], was chock-full of crap. Totally un-scientific. For example, the dick-head who wrote the article doesn't even understand the Second Law of Thermodynamics... for evolution to work for millions of years, entropy needs to be put on hold, even reversed, unless you are suggesting that bacterium have higher energy levels then mammals.

Jedi_Templar, BlizzForums 12 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Adrian

What would happen if I proved to you that living things are made out of matter and not energy, so the Laws of Therymodynamics don't apply to their physical evolution, just their metobolic pathways. And if you notice, a certin amount of energy is lost as heat during metabolism, so it does work with the 2nd Law.

12/11/2006 2:19:00 AM

cyborgtroy

Cars can't drive because the friction between the wheels and the ground would make them stop!

1/26/2008 9:26:13 PM

Big One

Perhaps I should le you know about the nuclear reactor floating in the sky. Meet the sun.

10/21/2011 1:49:49 AM

David B.

It doesn't matter if there's a Sun in our sky or not, nor even if the Earth were an isolated system, the 2LOT doesn't apply to evolution because it only talks about the state of the system, not of the components therein.

A bacterium isn't at a "higher energy level" than a mammal, but then neither is the fertilised mammalian egg from which every mammal developed. Just living and growing represents a decrease in entropy, for the individual, and is achieved through a compensating increase in entropy of the environment, i.e. eating and breathing.

Even an isolated, sunless Earth could have growing and evolving life upon it. All that is necessary is that it not be at maximum entropy, i.e. equilibrium, which we can clearly observe is true.

10/21/2011 5:00:58 AM

Dharmabum

Watching fundies try to talk science is like watching a squid try to carve a Thanksgiving turkey.

10/21/2011 5:15:57 AM

rw23

No, I'm suggesting that mammals have more efficient organs of respiration and digestion. Highly specialised ones, in fact. We even use bacteria to help us gain energy from food.

10/21/2011 11:16:43 AM

Grigadil

Lifeforms are not 'closed thermodynamic systems', since they take in food energy.

10/21/2011 2:33:38 PM

Quantum Mechanic

lol

4/30/2012 9:00:10 AM

Saringuy

Creationists: denying the existence of the sun.

3/9/2013 7:33:47 AM

xyz

Correction: Jedi_Templar doesn't even understand the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

3/9/2013 10:26:23 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Another F in high school physics.

7/18/2013 2:07:50 PM



And this is why, as much as I like WoW, Starcraft, and Diablo, I avoid that place like a plague.

7/18/2013 6:29:42 PM
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