Quote# 52618

Was the recovery a miracle? Perhaps. Then again, perhaps it wasn’t. Only God knows. The fact is that we have no idea what happened. However, one thing we do know is that answered or unanswered prayer has nothing to do with God’s existence. Let me explain. My wife has a Dodge Caravan. Let’s say it has a problem. What would be my intellectual capacity if I concluded that it had no manufacturer simply because I couldn’t contact them about the dilemma? The fact of their existence has nothing to do with whether or not they return my calls.

Ray Comfort, Atheist Central 54 Comments [11/22/2008 4:19:07 AM]
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Ray has demonstrated many times that his "intellectual capacity" is exceedingly low. He's a dummy for Christ.

11/22/2008 4:24:00 AM


Except that humans are not designed.

And, what is the point of prayer again? Are you saying god has bad customer service?

11/22/2008 4:25:05 AM

X-Acto Dyke

God made Dodge Caravans??


11/22/2008 4:30:43 AM


Except that we know of no natural process capable of creating ugly gas-guzzling minivans. So even if Dodge is dodging your calls it would be rather illogical to assume that a manufacturer doesn't exist, just because you can't get in touch with them.

It is, however, a rather bad move of God to remain out of contact for so very long, seeing how humans tend to kill and torture each other in their disagreements about what God wants. An almighty God could at least drop us some stronger hints so we stop with the mindless destruction.

So no, not the same thing, your analogy fails.

11/22/2008 4:32:41 AM

Captain Obvious

Well if they promise that they will in fact return your calls, and give you a number to call, and an extended warranty then if they don't answer your calls and you can't find them in the phone book or on the internet you can safely assume that they aren't around any more.

11/22/2008 4:47:11 AM

A Friend

Let's say there's this batshit insane fundie who fails miserably at analogies... Oh shit, that's you Ray. Nevermind.

11/22/2008 4:54:05 AM


It's kind of a moot point whether or not there was a manufacturer if you can't contact them, isn't it?

11/22/2008 4:55:12 AM


No, but you could always call customer service to complain. =p

11/22/2008 5:01:32 AM

a mind far far away

I'm confused. Is he saying god runs the customer service department for Dodge? And is 'dodging' his calls? What kind of recovery is he talking about? If they don't exist, how can they answer your calls? If there is no god, then there is no answered prayer. This analogy fails bad. Next time, Ray, try to make some damn sense.

11/22/2008 5:02:44 AM


I see. There are still other ways to seek assistance for your vehicle, so what happens when someone's prayer goes unanswered? Really, now - The One True God™ spends so much time performing *prayers and miracles* and generally catering to people in a privileged country. I'm guessing you'd question the "intellectual capacity" of, say, kids in third world countries that think food is a pipe dream, correct Ray-Ray?

11/22/2008 5:09:22 AM


I can't rate this because it makes too little sense for me to criticize properly.

11/22/2008 5:09:34 AM


What the fu-oh. Ray again.

11/22/2008 5:12:31 AM

Malkavian Jeff

Applauds to Cumfart.

11/22/2008 5:23:09 AM


thats the stupidest thing i've ever heard, oh wait is ray.
thats all ray has offer

11/22/2008 5:24:53 AM


Chrysler customer service can be reached at 800-992-1997.

Do you have a similar number for god? Say, a complaints department?

11/22/2008 5:33:36 AM


There's a big difference between an automobile and a human. Although, I've met my fair share of automobiles that are quite a bit smarter than Ray and his ilk.

11/22/2008 5:50:08 AM


...wtf is he talking about?

11/22/2008 6:03:03 AM

Admiral Crunch

That comfort food is pretty rancid.

11/22/2008 6:26:53 AM

Duck On Skates


This is an argument for, or against God's existence?

11/22/2008 6:27:01 AM


Show me a 'Dodge Caravan' tree and then we'll talk.

11/22/2008 6:42:38 AM


But a lot of people DO actually talk to them, and they have a website, and they produce new models every year.

11/22/2008 6:51:19 AM

Bunny Boy

"The fact of their existence has nothing to do with whether or not they return my calls."

I disagree. If someone doesn't exist, I'd be rather perplexed if they started calling me.

11/22/2008 6:53:10 AM


What would be my intellectual capacity if I concluded that it had no manufacturer simply because I couldn’t contact them about the dilemma?

Your analogy is faulty, but let's run with it for a few moments. (Just a word of advice: As an ex-car salesman (Ford), I should tell you that Dodges in general and the Caravan in particular, have a horrible re-sale/trade-in value. You should have spent some time with the Blue Book/Black Book before you made your purchase.)

If I had a vehicle with a problem, and I attempted to contact the dealership without success, then in order to repair the vehicle I would have to behave as if there was no dealership. The problem is, when I take my car to a generic garage, people like you instantly appear and insist loudly and persistently that I absolutely must wait for the dealership to contact me or the repairs will cause me to die.

11/22/2008 7:12:53 AM


So you've just admitted that prayer doesn't work.

But according to Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

So your saying that Jesus lied?


But to play your game, if I'm in the middle of the desert and my Caravan craps out on me, Am I going to sit there waiting for Dodge to save me? Or am I going to contact Joe's garage in the next town and have them help me. Then once Joe gets me back on the road, am I going to be praising Dodge for how wonderful they are?

11/22/2008 7:33:24 AM


Antichrist, your analogy is much better than Ray's.

11/22/2008 7:55:32 AM

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