Spanking with a belt is NOT abuse. Spanking with something like that (a rod) by a loving parent is biblical.
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well, fuck you too bitch. Tell me that to my face. I went to bed WAY too many nights with welts from my father's belt. Physical 'discipline', the way my parents and other fundie parents I know used it, IS abuse. There is no excuse for it. It is a 'simple' solution for parents who don't want to spend the time to figure out how to deal with their kids. In my case rational discourse would have worked better from the age of 5 on then blistering my ass ever did.
So, when you do something wrong, can we bash you in your head with an iron rod? Pretty please? Oh, and don't have any kids, it's not nice to take children away from their parents, it's pretty scarring.
My parents spanked me with a belt when I was a kid, and I turned out OK.
Frankly, it depends on how much metal is on the belt, how many times you hit them with it, and how hard you strike. If it leaves a mark that lasts for more than a few minutes, IT'S ABUSE. If it just stings and turns red for about a minute or so, it's not (although spanking really should be saved for a last resort after timeouts, privilege deprivation, and reasoning with the child have all failed).
And a rod is not a belt. I'm guessing HoneyBee's mother never told her the stories my mother told me--when my mother misbehaved my grandmother sent her out into the yard to "pick a switch," i.e. to pick out a light, whippy tree branch to be spanked with. THAT is the "rod" the Bible was probably referring to.
Spanking with a belt is abuse. Spanking with something like that (a rod) by a hate-filled, fundy parent is satanic.
Corrections made, fuckwit. Go shove a rod up your ass, raptureretard honeybee.
That depends from state to state, I live in a spanking right state and my children get it when they are bad.. one of the problems in this country is that the parents let the kids run all over them. MANY times I have seen kids talk TRASH to their parents because they know the parents arent going to do anything to them for it. My kids would NEVER think about doing that to me.
So, it's OK because it's in the Bible, like say, slavery, genocide and murder.
im pro spanking
i think it can be an effective way to deal with a troubled child who wont respond to other forms of punishment.
so long as its always used as a last resort.
but spanking with a belt is abuse
Well, if the bible says it's okay, it has to be fine.
Now hold still, I'm aiming a brick.
abuse is fairly subjective, and has as much to do with the results as the action. let us say instead that it is violent, unnecessary, cruel, and wrong. that should cover it.
Watch any animal in the wild raising its young. There are always phsical corrections administered by the mother to the young. The adult needs to show the youngster how to survive in their world when they become an adult.
Similarly, I spanked my children (by hand) as a last resort. My son now spanks his son when necessary. He has taken on my attitude when he recently said to his mother and me, 'No one, and I mean no one will tell me I can't spank my children when I think it is necesary.'
As adults it is our responsibility to teach our children how to survive in this sometimes cruel world.
Spanking does a lot of psychological damage to some kids, especially at certain ages, and some forms of spanking or beating (see the rod) can cause physical damage beyond bruising. It's also biblical to stone women, cut your hand off when you sin with it, and to keep children of rape victims out of churches, shall we commence doing those? I thought not.
I was spanked with a belt from 2-3 to about 6. My father was irrational about even some of the most minor offenses. I've no doubt that it is part of what made me socially phobic. If you beat your child with a rod, you have no real love for your child; and I'm going to cut your hand off for it, 'cause it's biblical to do so.
Biblical? So is killing someone for wearing a shirt made of mixed fibers. So is selling your children into slavery. So is bonking your wife's maid. So is killing your neighbor for burning something unpleasing to your nose. So is killing someone working on Sunday. So is feeding children to bears if they make fun of bald men.
I, among many, are greatful that modern laws hold backwards, Rapture Retards, and others of your ilk accountable
You know what else is biblical? Genocide, infanticide, stoning people to death, killing your son because you were told to, wiping out every living creature on earth with a flood, more genocide...
Riiiiiight!
And if I did the same to you, you would be screaming for the cops to press charges against me and rightfully so.
Don't do to a child what you wouldn't do to an adult.
But you are a fundie and I'm just wasting my time bothering to type this, aren't I?
I agree, spanking is not abuse. If someone is beat to a bloody pulp or struck without reason, that can be considered abuse. Physical disciplining (spanking)is highly accepted, and it works too. I think most of you are just bashing on this issue because a fundie said it.
And forced sex in jail ain't forced sex, it's just showerfun!
HoneyBee... well it sounds kind slut, maeby you enjoy it... fucker.
Jeez. You can discipline a kid without hitting them. I can understand some instances where swatting a kid on the rear--swatting, not beating--would be effective if the child can't or is too young to understand that what they did was wrong or dangerous.
But if your reaction is to always hit your kid with a belt when they misbehave... I don't know what to say to you.
Xotan,glad you got the joke. Seriously you should be careful saying "a rod" after mentioning something else,simple enough. Unless the thing previously mentioned was related to nuclear energy you really shouldn't.
first you beat the shit out of your kid and then you demand respect - because it's biblical!?
Gosh, don't ever have kids! PLEASE! In your case, that would be the biblical thing to do!
I got spanked lovingly before, but not by my parents! :o
This is specifically referring to the belt issue. So, it's discipline if it's your child you are spanking with a belt. Well, how about if your husband cracks you? Is that okay too? Sounds like typical hypocritical bullshit. Open your eyes. I hope one day that kid retaliates, grabs the belt, and gives you the business end of that belt. Perhaps with the buckle a few times.
Waitwaitwaitwait... so a belt is a form of rod?
I know that isn't quite the point, but I'm still curious as to the rod-like properties of your belt. I doubt your belt is very effective in holding up your pants.
Spanking, I will agree, can be effective. As a last resort, and all else has failed. The moment you bring a weapon to it, honey? It's abuse.
Well, the second sentence is in fact very true. It is very biblical.
Still, I cannot see how you're doing any good for your argument.
Spanking your children has been illegal in Sweden since the 70s. Of course people can do it despite the ban, but I personally know of no parents who use physical pain as a form of punishment. And guess what, all you spanking apologists, our country isn't overrun by misbehaving youths.
I think when people aren't allowed to make the quick, easy (and usually very temporary) solution of hitting your child to make your point, they get better at thinking of other ways to discipline. Ways that might not have the same chance of causing lasting mental trauma.
I know, I know, whenever someone say something like I just said there are a lot of people who say "Spanking doesn't cause any mental trauma! I was spanked and I turned out fine!" and that might be true. But I also think that you know that it's not always the case. Some children really are very hurt, and it's very difficult to know how a child might be affected until it's too late.
There's a pretty strong positive correlation between use of physical force on children and those children's willingness to use physical force on others to get their way later in life -- along with the development of authoritarian and violent personality styles.
...and besides that, the "rod" in the fundies' favorite line to quote in defense of child-beating doesn't even mean what they think it does. It's translated from a reference to a shepherd's staff -- which is used to guide sheep, not beat the crap out of them.
@Professor M. - There is a quote by Jesus I can't find that says "the guidance if the rod" and is probably referring to a shepherd's staff, considering the context and the diction. On the other hand, Proverbs has quotes specifically about beating children with a stick. I found a cool interpretation here: http://nospank.net/maurer3.htm (despite the site's name, much of it is just objective commentary on Proverbs and doesn't even matter if you're Christian)
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