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PATNA, India - A teenage Indian boy was thrashed, paraded through the streets with his head shaved and then thrown under a train for daring to write a love letter to a girl from a different caste, police said Thursday.

Manish Kumar, 15, was kidnapped by members of the rival caste on his way to school and was killed as his mother begged for mercy, police in the impoverished eastern state of Bihar said.

One man has been arrested and a policeman suspended.

The victim's mother, Lalit Devi, told police she had watched "helplessly" as the wheels of the train passed over her son.

"The accused persons killed the boy for writing a love letter to the girl of the same village," superintendent of police in Kaimur district, Rajesh Kumar, told Reuters by telephone.

Police said the girl belonged to a washerman community, considered a lower caste, whereas the boy came from the slightly higher dairymen Yadav community.

Love across caste lines is often violently opposed, especially in rural northern India, and it is not uncommon for outraged families to kill to "save the family honor."

Patina Hindus, MSNBC 60 Comments [11/21/2008 10:10:54 PM]
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11/22/2008 12:36:21 AM


@#825962: "... the caste system has only tenuous connections to religion."

WTF? Are you serious?

11/22/2008 12:51:56 AM



11/22/2008 12:56:33 AM

This is too sad for words.

11/22/2008 1:06:01 AM



Ripley: "I say we nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

11/22/2008 1:36:09 AM

Wait, the family from the lower caste felt they were dishonoured?

Not that I know much about India, but this is both cruel and makes no damn sense.

11/22/2008 1:37:15 AM


This is so sad. So awful. In so many ways, India is modernizing quickly, but too many lives are lost or ruined due to this.

In the new issue of National Geographic (also features an interesting cover article on "the Real King Herod" which reveals his good points), there is an article about how "untouchable" women have been recruited to help provide health care to their villages. The ways these women report having been treated are unbearable to read, just like this news report.

11/22/2008 1:52:47 AM


And this is where we're sending our jobs.....

Great, just fucking great.

11/22/2008 1:53:31 AM


I thought Henry Thoreau organized is sit-in that basically did away with the notion of "untouchables" over a century ago.

11/22/2008 1:55:57 AM


daggers and poison seem a lot more tame now

11/22/2008 2:39:50 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

Religion is a beautiful thing..isnt it?

11/22/2008 2:59:51 AM


Guys the caste system is TOTALLY religious. They believe that you are reincarnated into a higher caste if you were a "good person" (which means living by the accepted standards of your caste). People in the higher castes aren't even supposed to touch someone a couple of levels lower. Totally religious and totally fundie.

11/22/2008 4:23:46 AM


Ahh, religion. Truly worthy of respect once again. This story makes me sick. What the hell is wrong with people? India is such a strange country. On one end they have highly educated and sophisticated scientists and engineers that send spaceprobes to the Moon... and in the other end, this.

And what's up with rural areas being so desperately backwards and conservative, so primitive?

11/22/2008 4:31:37 AM


Which, I suppose, explains the washermen caste's ire. The woman was being tempted to breach caste protocol, and so potentially disgrace all her kin. Solution: kill the "tempter".

It doesn't help that, if what I saw in a part of Tezuka Osamu's manga about the Buddha's life is anything to go by, caste is thought to be THE thing that separates humans from animals.

11/22/2008 4:32:21 AM


Damn, that's one thing about Hinduism that I think really needs to be thrown out. It has no place in the modern world. And this is a country that had a woman for Prime Minister(?) long before the US even faced the chances of a non-white president! WTF man?

11/22/2008 4:41:37 AM


I agree it's Fundamentalist, since it's about tribal thinking influenced by religion. I feel so sorry for this boy (and girl,) though of course there's nothing that can be done about it now. Unless someone uses their powers of time-space manipulation.

I wonder if this is one of those booming areas of India, or one of those that got left behind by moderenist thinking, like "It's okay to marrywho you want, since castes are influenced by ancient tribalist survivalist thinking." I wonder if it would have been worse had he fallen in love with another boy from that caste?

11/22/2008 5:46:30 AM


And caste has little to do to with economic status. Certain occupations are traditionally reserved for certain castes, but even if you transcend your roots and become a millionaire, you are still of the caste of your birth. There are (a few) rich Harijans, and (lots of) poor Brahmins. It's religious, it's fundie, and it sucks.

11/22/2008 10:50:15 AM


Can't say anithing about this, as it is basicaly another world... It's up tu hindues to decide how they react in front of this behavior

Just because it happened in another culture doesn't mean you can't question their methods. They killed a 15-year-old boy for a fucking stupid reason. Does that not seem horribly
wrong to you?

11/22/2008 11:20:31 AM


Even if it weren't religious, killing another person for no other reason than being an outsider is pretty damn fundamentalist; dogmatically following a crude, all encompassing rule enforced exclusively by tradition without a shred of rational justification.

11/22/2008 11:27:52 AM

Dr. Gus

Religion, don't you just love it?

11/22/2008 11:50:16 AM


Well at least romance isn't dead. Jesus.

11/22/2008 11:53:56 AM


The main problem with this is the boy is a Yadav...

The Yadavs are famed for their repeated fights against the caste system. Their VIOLENT reprisals against the higher castes were instrumental in a sort of downfall of the higher caste strata of bihar.

The current railway minister of India is a Yadav and when he was chief minister he came to actual power through the use of violence. I expect a monster backlash from his goons.

Also, its from Bihar. The only good thing to come out of there was the Buddha... Since then it's been downhill.

11/22/2008 1:17:55 PM


I was under the impression that India had abolished the caste system some time ago. Sadly I was wrong.

11/22/2008 1:29:22 PM


I was under the impression that India had abolished the caste system some time ago. Sadly I was wrong.

11/22/2008 1:29:23 PM

welcome to fucked up india - where you must always "save the family's honor", but corruption, bribery and exploitation is widely accepted.

11/22/2008 1:29:31 PM

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