It isn’t a true statement. Gay’s being married = change the definition of marriage. Yes, I’m fundamental and proud of it. AND we don’t cry foul every time someone wants to do something different.
I have a right to believe that marriage is sacred, holy and the definition is not to be changed because someone thinks it ought to be. What gives them the right to be upset and intolerant of my beliefs? They want tolerance but give none? Hypocrisy! Tolerate gays? Sure. Love them? Sure. Allow them to force their theological changes on me? No way.
Saying they are getting married is a complete misunderstanding of the sanctity of marriage, the purpose of family and spouse. They can have their own religion that ignore my beliefs, and make their own biologically unsound decisions that goes again how many billion years of evolution and not choose to pass on their genes and infect eachother with incurable diseases—and thats fine. Straight people do stupid stuff like that all the time—and when they do, we try to tolerate that too. However, it is logically backwards to say that I must tolerate their beliefs and not say that they must tolerate mine. Who wins when to beliefs are polar opposites? To demand that one party is allowed to force their beliefs on someone else is heavily biased. Marriage is a religious belief. The state should butt out—and you should tolerate my right to believe as I do.
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Marriage is not a religious belief. I am married and I have no religious beliefs.
Oh my gosh, I am SOOOOOO sorry! I didn't realize that giving a group of marginalized, persecuted people the same rights that you do would be a violation of your own rights to not want these people to have your rights! It must be so hard for you to be persecuted... I'll be praying for you!!!!!!
I've said it before, I'll say it again:
Allowing homosexuals to get married will not affect heterosexual marriage in any way, shape, or form! Gay men are not going to marry straight men--they're going to marry other gay men! Lesbians are not going to marry straight women--they're going to marry other lesbians! Marriage is a civil tradition, as well as a religious one. Altering the legal aspect of marriage to allow homosexuals to get married in the courthouse does not change the religious aspect of marriage one iota. That's what separation of church and state MEANS.
So you're saying that if two people get married in a courthouse, in front of a judge, with no religious aspects to it at all, then it's not legally a marriage? That's pretty stupid, since marriage is a LEGAL contract, and the religious side of marriage is not seen as necessary at all by the state. If someone wants to get married in a church, with a pastor officiating, then that's fine. If said church doesn't want to marry gays, that's fine. But the courts should have full rights to do that, and it does not infringe on your religious beliefs AT ALL. No one is forcing your church or pastor to marry gays. No one is forcing you to think that gays marrying is ok. No one is forcing you to change your beliefs. If your religion is based entirely on what the US government does, then that's a sad, pathetic religion, and has no basis on it's supposed scripture. It's based entirely on the socio-political establishment, and has no spiritual qualities to it. This is the essence of American christianity, and is one of the main reasons why I left that batshit insane cult to begin with.
Wasn't marriage originally invented long ago as a means of property ownership? I'm pretty sure it wasn't intended to be romantic at the time, let alone sacred and all that drabble-- unless you count bringing God into the mix to keep the bounds of control stuck for life... because religion, you see, was originally also used as a means of power and control, and boy, did it work...
To demand that one party is allowed to force their beliefs on someone else is heavily biased.
So quit forcing LGBT people to live by your beliefs.
Marriage is a religious belief.
Which explains why straight atheists get married, right?
I have a right to believe that marriage is sacred, holy and the definition is not to be changed because someone thinks it ought to be.
That's what your great-granddaddy said when women were allowed to keep their own paychecks and property.
Marriage is a legal and social contract between two loving and consenting adults. It is not a ceremony that requires Hank's approval or permission or even his knowledge.
The mysterious "beloved disciple" should be invited to the fète, by all means.
You want the state out of your business? You had best modify the nature of your business in regard to other people.
Liberty and Justice FOR ALL, funny bunny.
I have a right to believe that marriage is sacred
Allow them to force their theological changes on me?
make their own biologically unsound decisions
Marriage is a religious belief
"Who wins when to (Two) beliefs are polar opposites?"
And we do have to tolerate religious beliefs that homosexuality is wrong. We do not have to tolerate religion shoving those beliefs down our throat and forcing others to live by them. If you think gay marriage is wrong, don't get one. Allow the gay people who want to marry to marry, as it doesn't effect you in any way.
Marriage is a civil contract. It grants married couples certain civil rights. Citizens should not be deprived of their civil rights because of your moronic beliefs. Further, churches can continue to promulgate whatever prejudices make them happy. They will not be required to perform or recognize gay marriages.
They're only trying to thwart your attempt to make them live according to your beliefs. That's not the same as making you live according to their beliefs.
I'd like to think this has cleared up your misunderstanding but you're very likely an idiot.
I have a right to believe that marriage is sacred, holy and the definition is not to be changed because someone thinks it ought to be.
Yep, you sure do.
What gives them the right to be upset and intolerant of my beliefs?
The same laws that give you the right to your beliefs. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.
Allow them to force their theological changes on me? No way.
They're trying to make a legal change, not a theological one. Again, a pretty simple concept. Try harder next time.
Marriage is a religious belief.
No, it's not. Marriage is a secular legal contract. A marriage carried out by a justice of the peace is just as legal and binding as one carried out in a church. Going further, any marriage performed in a church but not ratified by a marriage license is not a recognized marriage in any state in the Union.
Homosexualism isnot a religion, dumbfuck, they are not making you marry your same gender so they are not pushing nothing on you. On the contrary, you are the one who wants to make a civil right a religious exclusive.
Trouble is, your beliefs are Ok to dictate how gays should believe. Them getting married is not hurting your or your defintion of marriage. If I recall correctly, marriage was a business deal and had nothing to do with love between husband and wife.
Unfortunately, I think this guy has a point. The State has given churches the authority to issue a legally-binding contract (a marriage certificate). Ipso facto, they're going to place restrictions on who they issue these certificates to (and herein lies the problem...they should NOT be allowed to issue legal documents). Consider a few years ago, there was a HUGE uproar when the pastor of my parent's Baptist church agreed to officiate at a wedding (off church property) between a black man and white woman (oh, the horror!).
Personally, I think the best way to resolve this whole issue is to remove the ability from churches to issue the legal documents required for marriage. Sign legal documents for marriage at a court...and then allow the ceremonies to take place in front of god(s) and family in a church of the couple's choice (or their parent's choice, in the case of Hindus).
That's my two cents.
(Pssst. Not all Hindu marriages are arranged.)
I think I submitted more from this page, but this is the only one I've seen make it in. I swear, all these people can see is their own privildeged little lives. They have absolutely no empathy. It's infuriating.
Gay’s being married = change the definition of marriage.
we don’t cry foul every time someone wants to do something different.
I have a right to believe that marriage is sacred, holy and the definition is not to be changed because someone thinks it ought to be.
What gives them the right to be upset and intolerant of my beliefs?
I don't think you understand what tolerate means. It means you have to let them lead their own lives, and they have to let you lead your own life.
Marriage is a religious belief. The state should butt out
We'll keep civil unions with all the state rights included.
"And we don't cry foul every time someone wants to do something different."
"Yes, I’m fundamental and proud of it."
You, sir, are most definitely not fundamental to anything.
Maybe the government should stop giving benefits to married people, since, after all, marriage is a religious institution, so that means the government has no place in it.
What was that? You don't like that idea? Then stop talking about marriage being a religious thing.
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