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Tom S. Fox
Lying - you are doing it wrong!
11/26/2008 2:45:08 AM
Worms are not primitive animals. The worms we have today are modern worms, nothing evolved from them. Their lineage has evolved just as long as ours. Being smaller and less intelligent doesn't mean primitive - just suited for a different role.
Other apes are on a different evolutionary path than we are. They do not have the same environmental pressures that we had. They might evolve to a form that is capable of speech like us, they might not. That depends on how their environment changes.
11/26/2008 2:49:46 AM
If creatures evolved from worms or other primitive animals, then why are there still worms today?
Because they have been successful in their environment. Evolution is not about progression from simple to complex, even though that is sometimes the effect. Evolution is about adaption to the environment. Worms are a very successful life form. They are very well adapted to their environment.
Evolutionists say that humans are apes...so if that is the case why are our mental capabilities so much better than apes, and also, when can we expect apes to start talking?
Humans are one branch of the apes along with chimpanzees, gorillas, bonobos and orangutans. Each species of ape has evolved differently, according to the envronments that they found themselves in. Humans evolved big brains and sophisticated communications. The other apes, did not. Perhaps, soon under the correct environmental circumstances, some of the other apes might develop similar abilities. However, such things are dreadfully difficult to predict. And soon, in evolutionary terms, means in a few thousand generations. Don't hold your breath.
11/26/2008 2:51:32 AM
Evolutionists say that humans are apes
Liar, scientists and others who believe in evolution do not say this. Dumbassed fundies spread this lie around.
Humans and Apes have a common ancestor.
11/26/2008 2:52:11 AM
Katie: Evolution has never said that humans are apes. According to the theory of evoltuion, and genetic/fossil evidence, apes and humans had common ancestors. The species diverged, one branch evolving into humans, whose brains grew larger in order to make them better adapted to their enviroment. One branch developed othe characteristics that made the mbetter able to survive in their enviroment. You hsouldn't expect apes to start talking as humans do. When and if apes do evolve the ability to speak and become capable of language as humans are, it will take a very long time, and it probably won't be any language humans understand.
11/26/2008 2:54:30 AM
*bemused* I know this pillock is most likely lying through his rotting teeth, but IF this situation has arisen (as I'm sadly sure it must in a good few fundie households), I really pity those poor kids.
Please keep in mind their ages of 13 and 11, and they know virtually nothing about science or evolution.
Fundie idiots crippling their kids. When my son was 11, we were discussing how time travel might be (realistically) possible, and now he's 13 we're considering how, genetically, I could have truly green eyes when all the rest of my family have blue. Though that being said we have no idea whatsoever who my father's father was... OH NOES!!! Isn't there something in the babble about bastards and their children being cursed to the nth generation or summat? (I'd do a smug rolling eye smiley if I knew how...)
Where was I? Oh yes...
Nope - nowt wrong with us. The whole of life is this beautiful, fascinating, captivating adventure waiting to be explored. I'd pity anyone too stupid and ignorant to do anything but cower in the stinking dankness of ignorance and delusion - if I could spare the time.
11/26/2008 3:00:27 AM
Kylie and Katie sure know how to recite those creationist pamphlets! Both of these questions could be answered by any 13 year old who listens in biology class.
11/26/2008 3:01:11 AM
Did you REALLY do your science homework?
11/26/2008 3:02:01 AM
At least the kids are 11 and 13. It's really sad when you see 40 year olds asking the exact same questions.
11/26/2008 3:02:26 AM
If creatures evolved from worms or other primitive animals, then why are there still worms today?
Because they have managed to surive succesfully in their enviroment.
Evolutionists say that humans are apes...
Man never came from apes. That is a common misconception made by creationlists. We evolved from a common ancestor.
so if that is the case why are our mental capabilities so much better than apes, and also, when can we expect apes to start talking?"
Because we evolved diffrently. It's like a diffrent branch off the same tree.
11/26/2008 3:06:16 AM
"If creatures evolved from worms or other primitive animals, then why are there still worms today?"
Not all creatures evolved from worms. However, those that did are still worms - just different. As to why they are still worms: that's the particular branch along the tree of life that they took, and it suited their niche in the environment well.
"Evolutionists say that humans are apes...so if that is the case why are our mental capabilities so much better than apes, and also, when can we expect apes to start talking?"
1. Humans are apes...we're one species of the Great Apes. That means the first question should really be "why are our mental capabilities so much better than other apes?" One facet of the answer is to point out that other apes aren't necessarily all that far behind in mental capabilities. Some can learn quite complex tasks and a good amount of sign language, if not spoken language.
Secondly, given any metric of mental capabilities, one species had to come out on top. It happened to be us, which is why we beat every species to the punch by being the first able to ask the question.
2. Natural evolution among apes has likely run dry in terms of the right kind pressures to shape another evolutionary line towards human-level spoken language. But if humans and their technology were to suddenly disappear, another ape species would probably give rise to a speaking species within a few tens of thousands of years, I would guess.
Hope that helped, kids. Now go teach your daddy all about it!
11/26/2008 3:21:40 AM
OH GOD! Now that there are 11 and 13 year olds who don't believe in evolution, how can our beliefs possibly hold up? After all, adolescents are known for being remarkably even headed and logical.
11/26/2008 3:21:55 AM
Reading the whole thread is really creepy. I can't shake the feeling that SS is just pretending to be the kids.
11/26/2008 3:24:57 AM
Just blatant lies, all around. How could evolution even be discussed in the SS household? And why would SS even entertain the idea of his kids getting answers from someone other than him? Not to mention the fact that CARM has a habit of kicking off anyone that isn't fundie-friendly.
11/26/2008 3:25:36 AM
Warning: Supersport is a self-confessed troll.
11/26/2008 3:31:50 AM
"13 and 11, and they know virtually nothing about science or evolution"
Sorry, at this I couldn't read the rest. At 11 I knew more about science than most fundies and at 13 I knew more about science than the teacher. Dude, you seriously fail as a parent and I hope at least you are teaching your kids how to say, "would you like fries with that?" because without science they aren't getting ANY jobs in the future as even a nurse's aid needs basic biology.
11/26/2008 3:39:52 AM
1. They actually evolved from proto-worms, much like how the x64 and x86 standards evolved from the Intel 8086 microprocessor architecture.
2. Humans are not apes, but we shared a common ancestor with them.
Just like how Macs share a common ancestry with non-Macs. However, Macs are always going to suck.
We can never expect Macs to not suck. They have fulfilled the evolutionary niche of producing computers that are crappy, use terrible software, but look cool. Thus, they will always have enough customers to subsist. Macs have no evolutionary need to not suck, since they have a Reality Distortion Field.
11/26/2008 3:42:32 AM
How cute, you kept them in total ignorance. Seriously this sounds like stuff a 7 year old would ask!
11/26/2008 3:43:38 AM
"The SS household" - is it bad that this conjured up a rather unfortunate image?
"If creatures evolved from worms or other primitive animals, then why are there still worms today?" If Americans descended from Britons, why are there still Britons today?
"Evolutionists say that humans are apes...so if that is the case why are our mental capabilities so much better than apes, and also, when can we expect apes to start talking?" Humans aren't apes. Biologically we're in the order Primates, which includes other hominids (all now extinct), apes, monkeys and some other species. It's not saying that all these animals including us are the same, just that we have a common ancestor. We have a greater mental capacity than other animals (at least in terms of logical and intuitive reasoning, though any form of intelligence is notoriously hard to measure) because at some point in our past the environmental conditions favoured the survival of individuals who could think quicker. We can expect apes to start talking if/when any get "uplifted", which is a term from science fiction and futurism referring to animal species being genetically engineered with more human-like brains and vocal apparatus (not possible with current technology, but may well be at some point) - we can't necessarily expect the same conditions that gave rise to our own mental capabilities to arise in the wild, and if they do it will take many generations to have an effect.
11/26/2008 3:44:36 AM
Evolution doesn´t work in this way. If animals evolve, this doesn´t mean that every single member of the former species evolves into a member of the evolved species. Often evolution occurs after geographical separation, with some herds of animals becoming separated by geographical barriers (like oceans for example) resulting in those 2 grioups of animals developing separate from each other (and finally forming diferent species). If one group of animals is well adapted to its surroundings, it won´t evolve (or better said, there will be less evolutionary pressure than for a group of animals that isn´t as well adapted to its surroundings).
Also evolutioj is no linear process, it doesn´t lead straigbht to humans as "crown of creation" despite humans often seeing themselves this way. Most of the power of humans comes because sevral thousand years ago humans found way to translate their knowledge to the next generation, for example by writing it down, therefore enabling the next generation to progress further than the one before.
Without their technology however, humans are rather weak creatures. Put a naked human together with a bear into a cage and the bear will win.
Put the naked human without equipment together with a penguin to antarctica and you´ll see that the penguin will survive, whereas the human will freeze to death.
Humans have evolved as group animals. One of the traits that are good for having several offspring in a group are a good communication and a high intelligence. Take to this the fact that humans are rather weak animals, for example not so strong and fast as a Lion and also not so strong as bears and you´ll see that human groups (tribes) with more intelligent individuals (and better communication) having more success in surviving than groups with less intelligent individuals (and worse communications).
Apes however don´t have the same poblems as humans, as they (in contrast to humans) have the ability to move in the crowns of the trees (high above the ground), therefore enabling their survival even without having to rely on the same level of intelligence as humans.
Nevertheless even they are able to use someform of language to communicate with humans. There are sevral apes who have learned a form of language (thanks to human researchers), the most famous of them probably being the Bonobo Kanzi.
11/26/2008 3:45:32 AM
"You should see their looks of disbelief......They are truly concerned and think something must be wrong with you."
You should have seen my look of disbelief when my mother told me that my grandmother was her mother. Or that my grandmother's name wasn't "granny." Children are idiots, and their opinion about a scientific theory is hardly relevant to anything.
11/26/2008 4:03:35 AM
"Evolutionists say that turkeys are birds...when can we expect turkeys to start flying?"
For the LAST time, it's a TREE, not a ladder, a TREE! How simpler do you want it?
11/26/2008 4:07:40 AM
Yeah, they know virtually nothing about science only because you're making sure of that.
Oh, and at 13 and 11, shouldn't their ability to go online and their questions be a bit more, well, *advanced*?
11/26/2008 4:20:04 AM
supersport has children?
That's fucking terrifying
11/26/2008 4:26:44 AM
a mind far far away
Stupidshit has kids?! Now that's scary. And it sounds like they've already been indoctrinated.
11/26/2008 4:53:55 AM
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