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There is NO fossil evidence for evolution. Not one single shred of fossil evidence exists. Evolution on a small scale does exist as it has been witnessed but species evolving into other species has never been witnessed nor will it ever be witnessed. On the other side of the same coin, there IS archaeological evidence regarding places and people mentioned in the bible. The age of the original biblical manuscripts has been corraborated by such archaeological finds as the dead sea scrolls. What does this mean to me? It means that my faith lies in the physical AND spiritual evidence that I have seen. ID FTW

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dpareja

Declaring victory != victory.

11/29/2008 3:59:49 AM

wackadoodle

"It means that my faith lies in the physical AND spiritual evidence that I have seen. ID FTW"

It doesnt count if you close your eyes and cover your ears every time someone shows you evidence.

11/29/2008 3:59:50 AM

WMDKitty

It's idiots like this that make me want to go and shoot something... like their heads.

11/29/2008 4:02:11 AM



I don't actually think that you can say FTW about yourself.

11/29/2008 4:12:14 AM

DayGlow

I have no doubt that places and people written about in the Bible actually existed. Whether or not some of the things said were factual is what I doubt. But if you look at the fossil record from winged dinos to birds and can't see any sort of slow change, you're an ignorant idiot and we don't have a cure for that.

11/29/2008 4:20:50 AM

Thinking Allowed

Fish...barrel...



Too easy.

11/29/2008 4:27:39 AM

DevilsChaplain

"ID FTW"
I agree: Intelligent Design Fucks the World (and everyone with a shred of honesty, decency, intelligence, etc.)

11/29/2008 4:28:39 AM

Illuminatalie

You haven't seen anything, you are just a pretentious nitwit, trying to hide the fact that you're a bullshitter.

11/29/2008 4:45:09 AM

a mind far far away

There is also archaeological evidence that stands against some of the histories in the bible. So you close a blind eye to reality for the sake of your myths and fairy tales. Good going, smartass.

11/29/2008 4:47:38 AM

Damen

There is NO fossil evidence for evolution. Not one single shred of fossil evidence exists. Evolution on a small scale does exist as it has been witnessed but species evolving into other species has never been witnessed nor will it ever be witnessed.

Translation:


11/29/2008 4:56:32 AM

Nowonmai

Scrunching your eyes closed, putting your fingers in your ears and going LA LA LA LA LA when you are shown fossil evidence doesn't mean there isn't any.

11/29/2008 5:20:42 AM

thejebusfire

There is NO fossil evidence for evolution.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/lines/Ifossil_ev.shtml

species evolving into other species has never been witnessed nor will it ever be witnessed.

Well, neither has the garden of eden, but you have no problem believing in that.

On the other side of the same coin, there IS archaeological evidence regarding places and people mentioned in the bible.

Of course there is! It wasn't ALL a lie. But there is also the same evidence for people and places mentioned in the Quran. They can't both be right!

It means that my faith lies in the physical AND spiritual evidence that I have seen.

If you had evidence for it, then it wouldn't exactly be faith.

11/29/2008 5:20:44 AM

Efrain

Yes, we've all seen the fossilized animal shit from Noah's Ark oh wait.

11/29/2008 5:38:07 AM

anonymous

Fish with legs?

11/29/2008 5:49:54 AM

Eden

well, we have enough evidence for the ToE.

In contrast we have lots of evidence that many of the biblical stories cannot have happened the way they are written down within the bible.
So if you want to claim the literal truth of the bib le because some of the stories are baed on real historical events, you´re definitely mistaken (many of the evidence against biblical stories, especially from excavations in israel, are btw. not widely published because of fear to offenc jews, muslims and christians and are only discussed in scientific journals)
(Especially the claims about large military campaigns by israelite kings are jmost probably not true, as Israel was most of the time partially or as a whole part of larger foreign states (persia, babylon, egypt and so on) so that the rulers of Israel (if there were any that were tolerated by the foreign kings) wouldn´t have the means to wage large wars within the country)

11/29/2008 7:18:45 AM

Bobington

"there IS archaeological evidence regarding places and people mentioned in the bible"

He speaks truth. The Bible speaks of a place called Egypt, and most people agree that it exists.

11/29/2008 7:34:36 AM

Malth

>>Not one single shred of fossil evidence exists
-Archeopterix, dude. It is not just going to disappear because you want it to.

>>On the other side of the same coin, there IS archaeological evidence regarding places and people mentioned in the bible.
-as there is evidence for the existence of Troy. Also, even though SOME point from the stories in the bible matches, most do not. Also, no evidence of Jesus yet.

>>my faith lies in the physical AND spiritual evidence that I have seen
-faith is believing without proofs, fucktard. Also, "spiritual" evidence?

11/29/2008 9:31:15 AM

Dark_Lord_Prime

"There is NO fossil evidence for evolution. Not one single shred of fossil evidence exists."

Except for, y'know, all the fossil evidence for evolution.


"species evolving into other species has never been witnessed nor will it ever be witnessed."

Evolution does not work that way. Pokemon is not a documentary, and no sane person has ever claimed that "fish evolved into horses."


"there IS archaeological evidence regarding places and people mentioned in the bible."

Likewise, real people and places are mentioned in Stephen King's novels, as well as the Harry Potter series. Clearly, a hidden society of wizards and witches does exist among us, there really was/is a homicidal clown monster living under a town in Maine, and the population of the US was decimated by an epidemic called "Captain Trips," followed by the nuclear destruction of Las Vegas.

11/29/2008 9:41:31 AM

LOLWUT

I realise that stupidity and ignorance is considered cool in some circles, but really it's not so in the circles that matter.

11/29/2008 11:14:49 AM

FMG

@#837370

I've yet to see any actual evidence.

Our redundant genetic code. See the thing is our code in all life that we know is the same. We all work the same way on the same process. From bacteria to us. That is actual proof of common origin.


Oh I keep hearing about these 'mountains' of evidence, but I've never actually seen anyone produce it.


MRSA would like a word with you. See the thing is it's a new disease. It's also resistant to the things that kill it. To put it simply, it's like one of us suddenly becoming bullet proof.


I don't think they have any or they'd show us. All they do is complain that we don't understand how science works,
blah blah blah. Show us this evidence already, we're still waiting for you to come up with it.


GO TO A MUSEUM. There are more amazing things on earth than dreamt of in your tired philosophy.


What fossil record? We've seen no indications of proof there. All we know is that somewhere there are supposed to be fossils...in a museum somewhere?




And no, its not a fake. You can go see it in Germany.


Which one? Which fossils in particular show this proof of evolution? All sizzle and no steak if you ask me.


Amusingly enough T-Rex had a wishbone. Just like your chicken. Because they share a common ancestor. It's called comparative anatomy. They share the same body plan and movement abilities. If you compare and ostrich to say a bird hipped dinosaur it's obvious they are related.


We're still waiting, let us know if you actually want to show us some....oh, mutations?


I have 5 heartbeats. You have 4.


I don't know, what does that mean? How about some electron microscope pictures that show the structure, highlighted, explained what they are and labelled so that we know what we're looking at, then the 'evolved' structure in another creature?


You would not see anything in an Electron Microscope. If you want to see some nifty structural evolution, look up bacterial Flagellae and their relationship to Type III secretory systems. It's even your "poster child" argument.


In fossils? What about living organisms? Which animals are transitional forms, turning from what creature into what other creature?


All of us are. We are all transitional. Every single fossil we have is a transitional fossil. The problem is you want MASSIVE change, while we point out that small changes add up quite quickly.


We hear about how long it supposedly takes to evolve, but there should be some creature somewhere, perhaps several, that are in a state of evolutionary flux that can be observed?


What the hell is evolutionary flux? There is no such thing and you just made that up.


Explain all that for us, dumb it down so that us non-scientists can understand it. We're waiting.


No. Because it would take too long.

11/29/2008 11:19:21 AM

hmcook87

I don't care how many times you people scream that there's no evidence, it won't make the evidence go away.

11/29/2008 11:35:37 AM

aaa

Your abuse of "FTW" is punishable by removing your head.

11/29/2008 11:35:43 AM

DevNull

"but species evolving into other species has never been witnessed"
Except for these: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

11/29/2008 11:38:32 AM

Mortok

Just because you refuse to look at the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

11/29/2008 11:40:43 AM

FMG

@837413
A species is any animal that is capable of breeding with itself and producing viable offspring regularly and without interruption. There are animals which can breed with other species and produce offspring but the offspring are usually sterile as we see in mules. You are excluding such concepts of allele frequency and genetics since they question your view much more rigorously.


A common origin that could be God?

Or that we all came from the same source. Which is more likely since we are not invoking any sort of magic. Why share the same DNA when you can probably design a better system?


A new disease...no, I don't see. I don't see how that is proof of anything.


Because it is a new species. It never existed prior to the use of Methicillin as an anti biotic. Which is roughly from the 80s onwards.


I have actually been to museums, but all their displays are rather like that picture. What is it? What does it prove?


It's a bird like creature with feathered wings, teeth and a bony tail... It's a transitional fossil in YOUR DEFINITION since it is half bird, half dinosaur


I'm not going all the way to Germany to look at nothing.
MY chicken? T-rex? I don't think you can prove they're related.


They have the same skeletal structure. They share a common ancestor due to the above fossil.


5 heartbeats, 4 heartbeats? What's that supposed to mean?


Your heart is made up of four compartments. Each constrict to pump blood. Making you have four heartbeats. I have an extra one in each cycle since one of my ventricles beats twice. I pump blood slightly faster due to this. It's actually and advantage in sport since i get fatigued less despite the fact it can kill me when I get older. It's an advantage that makes "me" sexy so it does not stop me from having sex and actually makes me attractive on the basis of I play sports better than my peers. So I can spread this ability to my offspring (it's dominant)


Flagellae? Poster child? The rest of that is ridiculous.


The irreducible complexity of Flagellae is the poster child of the ID movement. Except that we have shot that argument down very quickly with our science.

At this point it just seems that you refuse to see the evidence. Because it will change your world view into one where you are no longer special.

11/29/2008 11:54:29 AM
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