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Yes, God forbid alternatives are taught. So much for "tolerance."

I love how Darwinists want to ban all mention of alternate ideas, while ID people are perfectly fine with evolution being taught. Funny who ends up being open-minded.

Brian, wired 17 Comments [11/30/2008 7:56:11 PM]
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#833567


I can kinda see his point, but I have a problem with teaching stuff that is blatantly wrong just so some people can feel validated and tolerated.

12/31/2008 11:52:47 PM
#833625
Belquer

I have no problem with ID being taught in a RME class. However 'Bam fucking magic(or goddidit)' is not science so has no place in a science class.

1/1/2009 1:05:17 AM
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Mr. Creazil

It's the irony meter, cap'n! She canna take it!

1/1/2009 5:01:42 AM
#834130
Canadiest

ID people SAY they have no problem accepting evolution. One of their dishonest attempts to get ID into schools. First step, Get ID into schools (by denying it's about Christian Creation via the Bible even though it is)

If they'd gotten away with it removing evolution (and some history books) would have been step two

1/1/2009 3:05:15 PM
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rubber chicken

Ok, oh open minded one, can I come and preach Gaian Cosmism in your church?

1/1/2009 3:08:16 PM
#917515
Mitch

Try teaching evolution in a church, see how IDers feel.

2/28/2009 9:52:25 AM
#917517
Mitch

@ Tempus,

That was almost the same as the ID lecture given at university by one of the biology professors, but he also suggested that phrenology should be taught instead of neurology (as a joke) then told us a story about how Darwin was almost not allowed on the Beagle because his head was a weird shape and the captain done phrenology.

2/28/2009 9:56:17 AM
#917522
LDM

What alternate universe are you from?

2/28/2009 10:14:40 AM
#917526


Actually, most ID people I've met are eager to abolish evolution and make everyone a YEC.

2/28/2009 10:26:55 AM
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Jade Goggles

I have no problem with people getting taught ID.
However, it is not science. It does not belong in the science class. Teach it in a religion class.
And in my experience it really does kids a disservice if it's taught instead of real science.

11/18/2010 9:35:20 AM
#1227830
Quantum Mechanic

Yeah.

I think Zeus shit out the universe just before I was born. That needs to get equal time.


What a fucking moron.

11/18/2010 9:37:30 AM
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Dr. Weird

I wonder if Brian also supports the teaching of Alchemy and Astrology as "alternate ideas" to Chemistry and Astrophysics?

Probably does.

11/18/2010 10:17:05 AM
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Anon

Decision in the matter of Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, Judge John E. Jones III, December 20, 2005:

" * The evidence at trial demonstrates that ID is nothing less than the progeny of creationism.

* The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory.

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* Accordingly, we find that the secular purposes claimed by the Board amount to a pretext for the Board's real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom, in violation of the Establishment Clause."


So:

"Open-Minded" does not mean "free to subvert education to promote your own religion." If you don't like that, then just try and get the first amendment to the US constitution changed.

11/18/2010 12:13:44 PM
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Canadiest

"perfectly fine with evolution being taught"

Because your educational stragedy (for now) is not to have church actually in school but to devalue scientific knowledge, you still need evolution to argue against.
It's not the only other argument that bothers you, it's the only rational, logical and scientific argument. It's also the most detailed theory covering what came before and showing how it fits with now.

Evolutional theory came up with predictions (Darwin made some himself) of what may be discovered in the future if the theory is right. These predictions have been vindicated, resolved, proven. Religion's failed at all predictions except the obvious.

11/18/2010 3:20:03 PM
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Rapax Pringer

>ID people are perfectly fine with evolution being taught

Uh huh. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

7/21/2011 11:09:09 PM
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David B.

This is because getting their lies set alongside truth is a victory for the liar, not for the honest man.

7/22/2011 5:48:40 AM
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Dr. Shrinker

ID gets as much respect as its scientific validity entitles it to. That is to say, none at all. And so far, the proponents of ID have done nothing absolutely to change this.

7/22/2011 6:00:44 AM
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