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(in response to "evolution takes a long time")

Yeah, a loooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggg time, and so far nobody's seen it happen before our eyes.
After some time, evolution is going to be disproved, because we 're all going to be sitting here waiting and when no results appear, it's going to be obvious that the theory of evolution was just that, a theory.
But, Jesus will probably come back before then...

CarinaMarie, Christian Forums 30 Comments [11/30/2008 10:12:20 PM]
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Tom S. Fox

Hey, yeah, talking about Jesus' return and long times ...

12/31/2008 11:15:24 PM

szena

You guys still think that evolution says you can watch a monkey turn into a human, don't you?

12/31/2008 11:49:47 PM

Lucilius

I hope Jesus does come back - as an Australopithecus Robustus.

1/1/2009 1:02:57 AM

Anoyn

"nobody's seen it happen before our eyes"

Ummmmm... the moths of England? Before he industrialage, when the trees in England were greyish, grey moths became the dominant mothwhileblackmoths were eaten because of their lackof camoflauge. When factories started popping up and trees turned blackfrom the soot, grey moths almost died out while black moths thrived.

5/5/2009 5:29:46 AM

aaa

I wonder if you have heard of MRSA.

5/5/2009 5:34:11 AM

Philbert McAdamia

Just how much of a "long period of time" has to transpire without the expected results before it becomes obvious that it ain't a-gonna happen? 2,000 years, maybe? More?

5/5/2009 6:41:34 AM



Given that recorded history doesn't stretch back for millions of years, there's a good explanation for the lack of eyewitnesses, but maybe I'm just splitting hairs.

5/5/2009 6:44:25 AM

JohnTheAtheist

Enough already about evolution being disproved. Evolution is the most tested and proven theory in the history of science.

Carina, get your head out of your ass, stop listening to morons who tell you that evolution has no evidence, or that it doesn't happen in our lifetime, and read a book. Use your brain. It's all out there and ironically the truth of nature is so much more beautiful then goddidit.


5/5/2009 6:46:38 AM

Swedish Pagan

We (or rather you) have been waiting for Jesus for 2000 years. Evolution happens every day, and can be seen in bacteria and viruses. Look at siamese cats from around 1900 and look at them now. Then they were rather plump, healty looking animals. Now they are so thin and skinny that they are heavily prone to diseases. And that in less than hundred years. Not a new speices but the evolution within a species.

5/5/2009 7:08:21 AM

FSMpirate

I won't waste my time laughing at you while you wait for jesus to come back. What will you do on your deathbed while still waiting?

11/30/2009 10:26:50 AM

Table Rock

Care to guess why flu vaccines need to be updated every year? Here's a hint: it's not Jesus.

11/30/2009 10:52:01 AM

Jade Goggles

Hm, yeah. I guess Darwin's finches, the english moths, and viruses don't count for evidence for evolution?

11/18/2010 9:22:27 AM

Justanotheratheist

I suppose she's one of those retards who thinks evolution means cats giving birth to elephants or milk bottles turning into waffle irons. Yes, well, even Jesus might resurface before that happens (or maybe not).

11/18/2010 10:02:40 AM

Anon

Examples of evolution that have been directly observed in the last hundred years. Let's see:

-Bacteria and viruses evolving resistance to antibiotics and around vaccines respectively, which requires more genetic change than between us and the Neanderthals.

-The moths changing color.

-Darwin's Finches.

-Cats evolving thumbs.

And, of course, we have the discovery of the genetic code and all of the gene sequencing that has been done, well after Darwin looked at the fossil record and the finches and Mendel's peas and put the entire thing together.

Any questions?

11/18/2010 12:17:55 PM

Quantum Mechanic

"nobody's seen it happen"

Wrong.

Do a little research next time.
In the mean time have a nice MRSA infection, stupid.

11/18/2010 12:21:06 PM

Quantum Mechanic

"-Cats evolving thumbs. "

I've known some that would pick up a wrench next.

11/18/2010 12:22:58 PM

Canadiest

This is why they must deny the science to equte their argument. We have the proofs, documented studies by the truckload, a detailed timeline of the process with evidence to back it up.

They have nothing, a story that's not too old to have no proof (the Jesus saga) yet still has none. Fables that have been told for about 3000 years and never believed by all verses hundreds of years and thousands of researchers.


11/18/2010 2:57:15 PM

Truthseeker

Evolution is not observable - as leading evolutionists themselves have admitted.

Stephen Jay Gould: ‘‘… evolutionary change requires too much time for direct observation on the scale of human history.''

G. Ledyard Stebbins: ‘‘… the major steps of evolution have never been observed''

This is why evolution is only a theory, and not a proven fact.

11/18/2010 3:02:35 PM

Evolutionisalie

The theory of evolution does not even qualify as science

Science is defined as: ‘‘The systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the material and physical universe, based on observation, experiment, and measurement, and the formulation of laws to describe these facts in general terms’’

Or more simply:

‘‘Knowledge attained through study or practice’’

Evolution however is not observable and cannot be experimented or replicated.

Theodosius Dobzhansky: ‘‘These evolutionary happenings are unique, unrepeatable, and irreversible... the applicability of the experimental method to the study of such unique historical processes is severely restricted before all else by the time intervals involved, which far exceed the lifetime of any human experimenter.’’

Dr. Colin Patterson: [describing evolution] ‘‘…unique and unrepeatable, like the history of England…unique events are, by definition, not a part of science, for they are unrepeatable and not subject to test’’

Paul Ehrlich: ‘‘No one can think of ways in which to test it.’’

Henry M. Morris: ‘‘Evolution has not been and cannot be, proved. We cannot even see evolution…much less test it experimentally.’’

11/18/2010 3:07:44 PM

Evolutionisalie

Evolution is pure faith

Evolution cannot be observed or experimented; it is therefore not scientific but based on pure faith or imagination. Many notable academics have noted upon this.

Karl Popper: ‘‘Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory but a metaphysical research program.’’

Michael Denton [On the theory of evolution] ‘‘…as it was in Darwin’s time, a highly speculative hypothesis entirely without direct factual support and very far from that self-evident axiom some of its more ‘aggressive advocates’ would have us believe.’’

Dr. Fleishmann: ‘‘The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but purely the product of imagination.’’

L. Harrison Matthews: ‘‘The theory of evolution forms… a faith on which to base our interpretation of nature.’’

11/18/2010 3:08:35 PM

Anon

>>Quantum Mechanic

"-Cats evolving thumbs. "

I've known some that would pick up a wrench next. <<

Polydactyl cats are fun to watch. They like to run up rigging on sailing ships and catch mice. The mutation is also autosomal dominant, so the fraction of wild cats with the extra digits would be increasing with time even if they weren't so useful for catching prey in urban environments.

@Evolutionisalie:

Please stop spamming bullshit, unless you want to be quoted on this site yourself. Evolution is observable and has been observed, or were you not playing attention to the examples cited above and taught in biology class?

Also: arguments from authority (your "notable academics") are entirely worthless in science. My bullshit detector is based on adherence to reality, not on who said what.

11/18/2010 3:46:24 PM

Gore

@Truthseeker and Evolutionisalie
Why thank you so much for taking the time to add more to these archives, we appreciate the lulz.
For your information, Evolution (the change of allele frequencies and descent with modification - which is what it is by definition) is observable and can be seen from one generation to the next, in fact it can even be quantified. Now there are logical consequences to the accumulation and selection of mutations that direct cellular growth in an organism which can result in massive change and diversity of living populations over long periods of time. The exact evolutionary pathways of many current organisms however cannot be recreated in the lab (because the time span is too long, the precise mutations responsible had occurred rather at random, and the environmental nuances that selected them are too much to be replicated in such a controlled environment), that does not mean that it isn't observable and determinable by other means. Had you actually taken the time to study precisely what evolution states, rather than internalizing dishonest strawman versions of it from fraudulent sources like Kent Hovind, Ken Ham, or the Discovery Institute, you would hopefully have realized that and wouldn't be wasting your time adding more word salad to the growing archives at FSTDT.

11/18/2010 3:58:18 PM

Angua

Gotta love how Truthseeker and Evolutionisalie come over here and claim evolution is not observable and, ergo, not a science, after several posters have already given observed examples of evolution.

Lopk, CarinaMarie, Truthseeker, Evolutionisalie, I don't know if you've heard of TalkOrigins before, but it's a pretty good site for getting information on evolution. Look, even if you want to argue "But it's just evilutionist propaganda," you still ought to take a look at it. At least figure out which arguments anyone who knows anything about science is going to laugh at. At least look at it to see what the other side is arguing so you can argue more effectively.

Key. Just look at this one section on this one page detailing a few examples of observed instances of speciation, okay?

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html#part5

I'm not asking you to read much. Heck, just google "observed instances of speciation." I'm really sick of this, "evolution is unobservable" nonsense.

11/19/2010 12:31:16 PM

Angua

Also, quote-mining scientists who dedicated their lives to working with the science of evolution in order to claim that evolution is not scientific is fundamentally dishonest. (Ninth Commandment, anyone?)

The moment you start quote-mining is the moment you lose any sort of credibility in my eyes.

11/19/2010 12:35:35 PM

Toothygrin

Ohfer...

I wonder if CarinaMarie has ever seen an old oak tree. No one alive saw it planted, and yet she would say that it came from an sapling out of an acorn.

@Evolutionisalie:
Correct, grand-time-scale evolution cannot be replicated exactly, distinctly because random mutations happen .. wait for it.. randomly. But the *process* by which it has happened has been, and continues to be today, observed.

The fact that we do see evolution happen in the laboratory (see nylon-eating bacteria) or in the wild (English moths, et al) over the short time gives us a pretty damned-strong clue that it has been happening all along -- and long enough to provide for and explain speciation, descent with modification, and the "tree of life" such as it is seen today.

Loooooooooonggg time indeed. A billion or so years, in fact, from the point of replicative molecules (i.e., the initial "spark of life"), to today.

11/19/2010 2:12:43 PM
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