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... I am not a YEC, but they are right to take the bible literal and not to make it allegorical because allegory can be used to justify all kinds of horrendus things

Godzman, Christian Forums 7 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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Like your grammar.

5/14/2008 10:38:07 PM


And Biblical literalism is used to justify far more horrendous things because it totally disallows any opening for common sense.

5/15/2008 12:28:17 AM


Critical error! ABORT.

WTF? Allegory is probably safer.

5/23/2008 7:46:06 PM


Too bad the only line which is taken allegorically is 'thou shalt not kill'

12/31/2009 12:10:10 PM


How can you claim to take the Bible literally and not be a YEC. Because that's what a literal reading brings you too.

And what about Jesus saying "not a generation shall pass" before he returns? A generation is usually well under 2,000 years and he still hasn't turned up. Did he already come and we all missed it? How can you take a "literal" view of the Bible without coming up with that answer?

And what the hell do you make of the Book of Revelation? Is it even possible to take a "literal" reading of that thing?

You know, as with most so-called Biblical literalists, I have a feeling that the Bible is only literally true where you want it to be literally true.

Also, an allegorical reading can justify all sorts of horrendous things, but a literal reading can't? Please!

Try reading the Old Testament as literally true. If you can do that and still belief it's all literally true and you still worship that same God and truly believe that such a God is just and good and merciful and righteous . . . well, then I will never understand how you manage such extreme cognitive dissonance.

12/31/2009 1:44:20 PM


The quote of Jesus is not a generation. It is "When the Fig tree blooms again here not a generation shall pass before my return". A generation is 70 to 80 some years. The fig tree literally was taxed out of existence and removed from the area due to the tax. Figuratively the fig tree is symbolic of Israel. When Israel became a nation, fig trees where then planted again in the area. That was 1948. At 70 years it would be 2018 at 80 years 2028.

3/21/2011 9:21:15 PM


@Justme: in case you believe what you wrote, I will indulge in a little Biblical analysis: what you have above is not a "literal" reading in any sense, nor is what you claim to be a quote the text in any standard translation. I give you an excerpt from the King James Version of the Gospel of Matthew, chapter 24:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

So the fig tree is there very specifically as a parable or metaphor of noticing changes in the world. Also, we see here Jesus himself (or at least Matthew's record of him) warning against using his teachings as a calendar. The Bible itself says to not take large parts of it literally. This makes both your and Godzman's statements nonsensical. The better theologians are all quite aware of this (for example, I'm cribbing this whole post from my grade-school catechism teacher).

3/22/2011 12:46:35 AM

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