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Well actually he used it as deliberately being circular logic. What i was saying is The bible claims to be the ULTIMATE authority. For it to be the ultimate authority it must be the final thing on earth you turn to for the truth. If you, however, need something OTHER than the bible to prove it to be the ultimate authority then that thing you turn to is the ultimate authority, not the bible, so the bible therefore is not what it says it is.

middo, Christian Forums 11 Comments [11/1/2003 12:00:00 AM]
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It's like watching a mind slowly break.

2/18/2011 3:54:58 PM

Dr. Shrinker

So...you admit that when it comes to substantiating the bible, you've got nothing!

Thanks, that's all I wanted to know.

2/18/2011 5:58:40 PM


The Bible doesn't claim to be anything. It's a collection of books written over a period of several thousand years.

You just haven't read it.

3/22/2011 5:54:18 AM


This twisted logic reminds me much of the "ontological argument", which also tries to prove the existence of "God" by asserting that "God is the greatest thing".

It is very easy to use this weird logic to prove that no holy scripture can exist at all:

- The defining characteristic of holy scripture is that it is the ultimate authority.

- The greater the authority, the less it rules with lots of difficult rules, and the more it stays in the background. (Examples: The best boss is one who doesn't go into wild action, but rules calmly and in the background. The japanese emperor only speaks up in times of real danger.)

-> Therefore, a holy scripture with less pages and less rules has more authority than a holy scripture with many words and complicated rules.

-> Therefore, the holy scripture with the ultimate authority is that which does not use any words at all.

-> Ergo: The ultimate holy scripture is an empty book. Even more consequently, the ultimate holy scripture is a non-existing book.

I know, this is meaningless sophism, but it is as meaningless sophism as the illogical fundie statement of "middo".

3/22/2011 6:06:44 AM

Got the last ten words right.

3/22/2011 6:42:25 AM


you know,i understand what he is trying to say here.....what he means is,that if the bible says what it means,and if the bible is the true authority on this particular subject,then it stands to reason that the bible ,itself,without outside verification,is,in and of itself, its OWN collabarative authority,thereby exonerating itself of the ability to examine critically the ideas that lie within the body of the concept,that also ,therein,defy the very precepts that state many of the current mandates ordained by the holy word of god,thereby,excusing the actual divine inspiration for the exception that underlies all christian doctrine,which,in and of itself self examines that which is ordained as the truth...........(see, i can talk like deluded fundie god bothering holier than thou christian too)

3/23/2011 1:57:04 PM

Quantum Mechanic

What makes you think there is an ultimate authority?

12/20/2011 4:38:28 PM


Ultimate does not mean only. It means dominate, the best.

The only comparable writtings are from the other Abrahamic based books, the Torah, Quaran or Gnostic Bibles. None of which you hypocrites accept

12/21/2011 5:34:33 AM

Quantum Mechanic

Damn thing isn't even self-consistent.

2/21/2012 7:25:49 AM


Um, no. This orange is the ultimate authority. And outside verification won't help because then THAT would be the ultimate authority

3/27/2012 1:21:35 PM


OK, just for kicks stick with only that one book. Now what do you do when the bible contradicts itself? Turn to another bible?

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