If God knew Adam would eat the fruit, why did create him?
Because God's purpose was that Adam fall into sin, so that we may be redeemed and He may be glorified.
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Therefore, your God is a cockbite with zero empathy and a bloody monster to boot.
There are fundies that read this, and I say:
"FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK YYYYYYOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!"
Okay, I've been studying Paradise Lost so questions like this give me a headache. The answer I've come up with is that trying to make sense of the Genesis story is impossible. Surely if God existed, we wouldn't have all this confusion.
Exactly
The fundie belief is that God has orchestrated every event in humankind, nothing has or can happen without his input
Then they say we have free will and it's our fault (or demons) if we stray
and they NEVER see the problem with thinking that way
"Because God's purpose was that Adam fall into sin, so that we may be redeemed and He may be glorified."
Uh, if Adam had simply not been allowed to "fall into sin" there'd be no reason for your god to "redeem" us you twit. Can you really not see the problem with this line of reasoning or what it says about your god?
Ah I see, god created on purpose a situation in which thousands of generations would be forced to either obey a strict set of rules, or be forever tormented in hell.
Add this to the large number of reasons why I could never worship god like he is described in the bible ;)
Well, when God created Adam and Eve, he obviously had zero experience with kids. Otherwise he'd know that telling them not to do something (eat that fruit) was just guaranteeing that they would do it as soon as his back was turned.
So, lemmee get this straight. God created Adam. God's intention was for Adam to sin. By sinning, Adam, and the generations of sinners who followed up to Jesus are condemned to hell. For sinning. Which was God's intention in the first place.
Admit it, you're really only saying you believe this stuff because you hope the hot chick in the other pew will sleep with you, right?
Because God's purpose was that Adam fall into sin, so that we may be redeemed and He may be glorified.
So Jehovah explicitly planned the last 12,000 years of recorded history--the death, disease, murders, wars, and famines--just for the chance to "redeem" us from the "sin" He had planned for us to commit in the first place?
Therefore, God is guilty of pride.
Which must mean at least one of the following:
Pride is not actually a sin
God is not actually good
God does not actually exist
God did not actually create Adam
God did not actually foresee the Fall
Pick one.
Why doesn't God prevent Adam from eating the fruit? It'd save him and his angels 6000 years of work?
Or admit your God is not an all-knowing, all-powerful creature.
This is one of the things that got me thinking back when I was a christian; why in the HELL would god allow such a thing, if all it was going to do was end up in suffering for millions and billions of people? Wouldn't it be better if it had never happened, and then EVERYONE could be happy? Not according to god. He likes suffering. He likes to torment people for doing things that he made us to do, and then blaming it on us. Sadistic fuck, that god is.
Dude, you're sure flogging something, but it ain't a blog. I'll let you get back to what ur doing, ur obviously having a great time...
Hey Javier! you unspeakably pretentious arse, why do we need Christianity? It's just a headache.
God doesn't need us. We don't need god.
You do though, apparently, as a kind of boring and intellectually arid hobby.
You great big pansy.
@ werewolf
Does that, in any way, make any sense?
Fundies do not operate with it. It's the first thing that pops into my head every time I read one of these, and I have to work to try to wrap my mind around their total disregard for logic.
It wouldn't be the last time God did this. Jesus also said God made a man born blind so Jesus could show off his powers healing him.
I'd like to know what you'd say if your government messed up the country and refixed it to be glorified.
And all of those poor slobs who fall into hell because they dared to ask reasonable questions, or they just didn't hear about Jesus? Acceptable losses; sorry about that dudes, but it just isn't glorious if everyone gets to go to heaven.
But remember, god loves you.
"Because God's purpose was that Adam fall into sin,"
You said it, I didn't:
Isaiah 45:7 (emphasis added): 'I form the light, and create darkness : I make peace, and create evil : I the LORD do all these things.'
Great advertisement for Satanism, fundies.
In just one passage from Scripture, is proven the more than infinite superiority of Atheism. Also further (and exponentially) reinforced by these quotes:
'Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for Atheism ever conceived'
-Isaac Asimov
(emphasis added):
'We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. '
-Gene Roddenberry
So your god is a sick sadist hung up on getting his victims to love him?
Oddly, that's my own view of god as well but I have enough self-respect not to worship such a monster.
Ask a silly question
Get a silly answer.
@ Malfist
"I call a Poe on this one."
- Actually, this was one of John Calvin's favorite teachings. It could still be a Poe, but without an overload of smileys we can't be certain.
Okay so God made us perfect, allowed Adam to Sin so we could become imperfect, all to he could forgive us four thousand years later in a way that still dooms most people to hell? Wow God seems like an ass.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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