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[sounds like this guy believes in oligarchy more than a "free republic"]

there is a moral imperative for commanders to mandate Christian exposure of their personnel on active duty.

Unlike other scenarios in a free society, a military establishment mandates immediate obedience to orders from senior ranked officers and line officers in combat 24/7.

The commanding officer therefore, has incurred a responsibility for his juniors to insure they are provided with an opportunity to be provided the Gospel if they are unbelievers and an opportunity to receive proper pastor-teacher guidance as believers while they are serving under the command of others.

Both the gift of pastor-teach and the gift of evangelism are spiritual communication gifts given by God the Holy Spirit to certain believers. The spiritual communication gift of pastor-teacher is given to a person to spiritually discern the appropriate part of the Word to be taught to the believers in his midst per God’s Plan, so that they are in the right place at the right time to perform by His Plan.

Likewise, the spiritual communication gift of evangelism is given to some believers to communicate to unbelievers.

Unlike the common citizen who incurs the responsibility to find his own pastor-teacher and continue obediently in faith through Christ in his daily studies, the military serviceman, is also under the legitimate authority of his commanding officer to obey 24/7 the orders of his seniors.

Likewise, his seniors bear the responsibility to God to insure pastor-eachers are made available to the serviceman for their spiritual growth, only possibile through faith in Christ through daily intake of Bible doctrine by their appropriate pastor-teacher.

Recent ecumenical perspectives fail to recognize the significance of God the Holy Spirit in the continuing sanctification of each and every believer, every day and moment of their lives. Many worldly officers believe they are able to substitute a worldly system of counterfeit belief independent of faith through Christ and still advance in good works. Such thinking is good for nothingness, not only jeopardizing the sanctification and spiritual growth of their juniors, but also placing their commands at risk of divine discipline, being in the wrong place at the wrong time on the battlefield which is deadly.

IMHO, if our commander-in-chief was remaining in fellowship through Christ in all things, he would relieve those in the chain of command who seek such counterfeit substitutes to God’s Plan and place the US armed forces at risk, without divine guidance through faith in Christ.

jagusafr, free republic 28 Comments [12/19/2008 10:36:33 AM]
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BufferickVonHellbags

wrong.

12/19/2008 3:41:22 PM

aaa

Why do you hate freedom?

12/19/2008 4:13:52 PM

Lucretius

Is jagusafr's favourite song "Onward Christian Soldiers " I wonder?

12/19/2008 4:18:58 PM

Blackclaw

My father was a pilot during the Vietnam conflict. He's Catholic, but before every mission he'd have a Buddist monk bless his aircraft. When people are trying to kill you, you start to hedge your bets.

Removing officers who don't believe in your particular dogma is a fine way to cripple your army.

12/19/2008 4:27:49 PM

El Zorro

The soldiers job is to do what they're trained and told to do. There is no need to force a religious conviction down their throat. The US armed forces isn't the frikking Taleban. It's a professional army in the service of a state, not some ideological or religious rebels.


12/19/2008 4:46:42 PM

werewolf

You've never placed boots in the mud, have you? As my old sergeant said, " Do your job. Look after your people. Don't do anything stupid."

No imaginary deities need apply.

12/19/2008 4:53:14 PM

Brent

Unlike other scenarios in a free society, a military establishment mandates immediate obedience to mission related orders from senior ranked officers and line officers in combat 24/7.

The commanding officer therefore, has incurred a responsibility to not abuse that authority by forcing his or her own beliefs on the troops. For any troops desiring guidance of a spiritual nature, the commanding officer has a responsibility to support appropriately vested chaplains of various faiths, and to support establishment of lay-led groups in the absence of chaplains of certain faiths. Incidentally, the commander has also incurred the responsibility to not abuse authority by ordering troops to wash a car or mow a lawn for personal benefit.

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There, fixed!

Jeez, you'd think someone with a name like jagusafr would actually, I don't know, understand the law of the United States and the instructions governing the military.

12/19/2008 5:01:45 PM

anevilmeme

It's a republic not a theocracy.

12/19/2008 5:25:52 PM

Wackadoodle

'turn the other cheek' is the LAST thing you should be teaching soldiers, your brand of hateful ignorance might make better fighters but god help them if they need to think about anything.

12/19/2008 5:39:33 PM

Mr. Creazil

Never been in the military, but if I were I'd rather have a gun, body armor and a sane commander watching out for me than an invisible sky fairy any day.

12/19/2008 6:05:41 PM

Shadoboy

I'm walking to the something
Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
Collapse
I'm drinking too much bla bla,
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
Fall out
I'm feeling really bla bla, I want to bla bla bla,
Collapse
And in the end it means I bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
The end

12/19/2008 6:09:15 PM

Pule Thamex

My friend, you'll grasp at the thinest of straws in your efforts to evangHELLise.

12/19/2008 6:23:25 PM

CT

Hmm... isn't the Government in control of the Armed Forces? Doesn't that mean the Armed Forces are subject to the same restraints the Government is when it comes to Religion? I.e. no promoting any one religion over the others...

Doesn't this suggest that any plans to do anything like what jagusafr is suggesting are extremely Anti-American?


Does he like suggesting things that make him a Traitor? :)

12/19/2008 6:30:27 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

That would be a FOOLISH thing to do during this time of war. Removing ALL service men who are not religious, or the right type of religious would be devistating to our forces.

There is nothing free or republic about your attitude

12/19/2008 7:05:24 PM

WMDKitty

there is a moral imperative for commanders to mandate Christian exposure of their personnel on active duty.

No, actually, there isn't, and the First Amendment would automatically negate it if there were.

12/19/2008 8:04:41 PM

Duck

The commanding officer therefore, has incurred a responsibility for his juniors to insure they are provided with an opportunity to be provided the Gospel if they are unbelievers and an opportunity to receive proper pastor-teacher guidance as believers while they are serving under the command of others.

So you would be fine with CO's forcing conversion to Heathenry (a much better suited religion for the military IMNSHO)? I have no problem providing the Eddas, Sagas and proper Godhi/Gythia guidance to unbelievers.


12/19/2008 9:38:14 PM

Brenz

Our soldiers dedicate their lives to this country, and you are disrespecting that. You fail at America.

12/19/2008 9:41:47 PM

Old Viking

I'd sure hate to be exposed on active duty. Especially in combat.

12/19/2008 10:19:40 PM

tracer

"Unlike the common citizen who incurs the responsibility to find his own pastor-teacher and continue obediently in faith through Christ in his daily studies, the military serviceman, is also under the legitimate authority of his commanding officer to obey 24/7 the orders of his seniors."


Which is why we have ... military chaplains.

12/19/2008 10:46:14 PM

Darwin's Lil' Girl

...And your point is...?

12/19/2008 11:25:34 PM

Cadet

I hope that this psycho isn't in my military.

12/19/2008 11:38:29 PM



Jesse Ventura was a Navy SEAL and is a non-theist.

I dare you to say this in front of him.

12/19/2008 11:39:03 PM

Hawker Hurricane

I, (name), do solomnly affirm that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies both foriegn and domestic, that I will bear true faith and aliegance to the same, that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and those he appoints over me in accordance with military regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

I affirmed that oath 5 times, and I never thought it needed to force YOUR VERSION of "Christianity" (Paulist) down the throats of my subordinates. In fact, if I had, I would be violating my oath, since it requires me to 'support and defend the Constitution' and 'bear true faith and alliegance to the same', and said Constitution has this 1st Amendment thingy about not interfering with a persons religion.

If I caught a subordinate doing what you suggest, I would take him aside and order him to knock it off. If he persisted, I would bring him up on charges under the UCMJ. And those charges would stick, and the man would be busted, and perhaps even thrown out of the service, just as several people have been. As a U.S. Air Farce J.A.G. officer, you would know that. Your ignorance convinces me that you are a liar, and that violates your beliefs ("Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness").

SM1(SW), USN (ret)

12/20/2008 12:19:48 AM

RFP15

@Hawker Hurricane

This comes from a fellow veteran, Thank you.

12/20/2008 10:51:29 AM

Aethernaut

How can we trust our military to protect the freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution if we don't give the soldiers those same freedoms? Why do you hate America, jagusafr?

12/20/2008 2:40:06 PM
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