With the new disaster movies coming out, it brings to mind the original science-fiction thriller, War Of The Worlds. And how those large indestructible alien robots were brought down by the smallest of organisms-common bacteria. Now here's something to consider:when that first fish sprouted legs and walked out of the water for the first time...wouldn't it be common sense to assume this creature would be suddenly subjected to countless germs(not to mention a boatload of diseases)? And these untold amount of germs are something this poor creature has never encountered in it's entire life;so it would have no immunity whatsoever. So like the alien robots from another planet who had no defense for any germ exposure in this world, the creature crawling out of one world into another wasn't prepared for even basic survival. The fish is now dead.
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"And how those large indestructible alien robots were brought down by the smallest of organisms-common bacteria."
1. Bacteria are not the smallest of organisms.
2. That's not what is meant when people talk of their computers 'having a virus'.
"Now here's something to consider:when that first fish sprouted legs and walked out of the water for the first time...wouldn't it be common sense to assume this creature would be suddenly subjected to countless germs(not to mention a boatload of diseases)?"
1. You are basing your argument on a work of fiction? Why am I not surprised.
2. Why did these diseases not also exist in the water, which is in permanent contact with the air?
3. How is this different to encountering any other disease for the first time? I had no immunity to measles and chicken-pox before I first encountered them, I gained it by encountering them. Because I have an adaptive immune system, just like fish.
"The fish is now dead."
Most fish don't live to be 375 million years old so, yup, can't argue with that. Besides, we've found its bones .
evolution doesn't work that way.
Why do people seem to think that the evolutionary theory is: there was this one fish, who was born a fish, lived for a while as a fish, then suddenly one day POP sprouted legs and immediately knew what to do with them?
The process of fish becoming amphibians happened imperceptibly over years and generations, not all at once with one damn fish.
Why isn't anyone teaching these people basic biology? Oh yeah. Homeschool.
The fish didn't just sprout legs and nobody is suggesting that the first fish to try leaving the water survived. Fortunately for us, some fish did eventually make it to land and survive any new bacteria they came across. That's how evolution works, you numpty - it favoured the ones which survived.
The flaw in that reasoning, (microbiologists please correct me if I'm wrong) both the story's and your own, is that if a species of creature has never encountered particular pathogens and not evolved resistance to them, those same pathogens would also not have evolved to infect and exploit the creature, thus they'd probably start out even.
If you're going to use a centuries-old work of fiction to refute science, stick to using your Bible instead of sullying the work of a visionary like Wells. And learn some basic biology: no host = no pathogen, so no, there wouldn't have been bacteria just hanging out for billions of years waiting to pounce on the first fish that wandered onto dry land.
In a way he is right, and this is the thing about evolution.
It was not a single fish. It was many fish.
Some of them DID die from diseases before they could reproduce.
Some of them survived.
See there? That is part of what is called "natural selection".
This is why I hate creationism. It makes up its own idea of what evolutionary theory says, and then argues against that. They're very good at demolishing strawmen, but none of their arguments even come close to poking holes in actual science. No, scientists don't know everything about how evolution happened, which is why the theory is frequently added to and revised. The advantage of science over religion isn't that the sciences have all the answers, but that when they don't have all the answers they're willing to admit it and keep looking. Fundies, on the other hand, are willing to completely rewrite the question so that THEIR answer fits.
Oh, and TheDonald2, RejectedDreams isn't a poe. I might question it if he only had forum posts and they were all about religion, but he seems invested in his dA account, discussing things other than religion and posting art, so either someone with way too much time on their hands is behind him, or he's an actual fundie.
When the first fish left the water for the first time, wouldn't it be suddenly subjected to countless germs? Yes, it probably would,,,, so would the second,, and the third,,, until finally one emerged that was able to survive those germs and pass on its germ/bacteria resistance genes to the next generation. Thank you for providing us with such a lucid example of evolution at work.
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