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In regards to atheism and morality, the Barna Group found that atheists/agnostics in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior, and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality. [1] Given the many diseases associated with homosexuality, the Bible prohibition against homosexuality is quite arguably one of the many examples where the Bible exhibited knowledge that was ahead of its time.

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Evolutionist and atheist Richard Dawkins stated in an interview: “What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question."[4] The interviewer wrote, regarding the Hitler comment, "I was stupefied. He had readily conceded that his own philosophical position did not offer a rational basis for moral judgments. His intellectual honesty was refreshing, if somewhat disturbing on this point."[5]

In addition, there is the historical matter of deceit being used in a major way to propagate atheism from the time of Charles Darwin onward plus the issue of of atheistic ideology of communism being involved in the greatest mass murder of mankind in world history.

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Per capita atheists and agnostics in the United States give significantly less to charity than theists even when church giving is not counted for theists.

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Thammuz

"Given the many diseases associated with homosexuality, the Bible prohibition against homosexuality is quite arguably one of the many examples where the Bible exhibited knowledge that was ahead of its time."
AIDS is NOT a prominently homosexual disease. Dumbass.

"In addition, there is the historical matter of deceit being used in a major way to propagate atheism from the time of Charles Darwin onward plus the issue of of atheistic ideology of communism being involved in the greatest mass murder of mankind in world history."
Meanwhile Adolf Hitler states that the Lord is whit him in his Mein Kampf. Dumbass.

"Per capita atheists and agnostics in the United States give significantly less to charity than theists even when church giving is not counted for theists."
Well duh, if the charities are religious organizations why would they donate to them? Dumbass.

I think my point is: You're a dumbass.

12/19/2008 9:28:11 AM

Beeblebrox

...atheists/agnostics in America were more likely, than theists in America, to look upon the following behaviors as morally acceptable: illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior, and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality.

I'm an adult. I choose my values according to my personal convictions, just like you do. The difference between us is that I put some thought into mine. I didn't abdicate my responsibility by mindlessly submitting to scribblings found on papyrus rags. Incidentally--you may want to check sources other than a faith-based organization like the Barna Group.

Given the many diseases associated with homosexuality...

Prior to the advent of AIDS, nearly every STD was associated with heterosexual intercourse. When will you get around to condemning and punishing straight people for spreading:

* BV - Bacterial Vaginosis
* Chlamydia and LGV
* Gonorrhea
* Herpes, Genital
* HPV - Human Papillomavirus Infection
* PID - Pelvic Inflammatory Disease
* Syphilis
* Trichomoniasis

12/19/2008 9:28:44 AM



"illegal drug use"
What's wrong with pot? it's alot safer than alcohol

"excessive drinking"
Somehow i doubt that, I'm an atheist and i despise alcohol.

"sexual relationships outside of marriage"
What part of "Go forth, be fruitfull and multiply" from your own book do you not get?

"abortion"
I'd be less likely to support it if you windbags would adopt the kids as your own instead.

"cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage"
Oh dear god no, not that. what the hell is the point? Marriage isn't anything but a sheet of paper that you religious idiots have done a good job of turning into a meaningless sheet of paper

"obscene language"
Once again, what's your point? Considering words are just that, words, who decided what ones would be obscene or not? I assume you follow the 1900's idea that shenanigans is an obscene word?

"gambling"
That would explain all the people that gamble and pray to a god to win

"pornography and obscene sexual behavior"
Yeah, there's a laughable one. Everyone has porn, it's part of life. define obscene sexual behavior

"engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality"
Lol, yeah, that explains all those priests and republicans being busted for same sex, phedo, and other weird things of sexual nature.

Ok, dumbshit, Godwin for starters, Hitler was doing what he thought was right, taking a page or pages from your bible, he could have been in the right. After all, genocide and pointless wars/murder never stopped anyone in the bible.

12/19/2008 10:07:23 AM

Nowonmai

This whole posting a crock of shit, and whoever entered this 'information' pulled these numbers outta his/her ass.

How many highly placed evangelists, priests, 'Christian' politicians have been buried up to their self-righteous eyeballs in porn, child molestation, homosexual behavior etc.

What's to stop Atheists from saying Hitler was right? Answer: Sanity and morals, something you fundies seem to think you corner the market on and you don't.

Secular charities, that don't base who gets what by religious belief, give above and beyond what this jackass is stating.

12/19/2008 10:32:28 AM

demodocos

Here's Dawkins' quote put into context:


“I’m actually rather interested in the shifting zeitgeist. If you travel anywhere in the Western world, you find a consensus of opinion which is recognizably different from what it was only a matter of a decade or two ago. You and I are both a part of that same zeitgeist, and [as to where] we get our moral outlook, one can almost use phrases like ‘it’s in the air.’”

At this point, perhaps a word of explanation is necessary. Zeitgeist is a German word meaning “spirit of the age.” Dawkins here refers to the prevailing moral climate or mood of a given place or time. We may observe that what constitutes moral or ethical behavior differs from one culture to another; indeed, it may even differ within a given culture. This is not in dispute. The question, rather, is this: should moral standards be based on the societal zeitgeist or should they look beyond it to something else?

I asked an obvious question: “As we speak of this shifting zeitgeist, how are we to determine who’s right? If we do not acknowledge some sort of external [standard], what is to prevent us from saying that the Muslim [extremists] aren’t right?”

“Yes, absolutely fascinating.” His response was immediate. “What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right? I mean, that is a genuinely difficult question. But whatever [defines morality], it’s not the Bible. If it was, we’d be stoning people for breaking the Sabbath.”


Conservapedia... what a bunch of fuckers.

12/19/2008 11:01:00 AM

Niobe

"illegal drug use; excessive drinking; sexual relationships outside of marriage; abortion; cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage; obscene language; gambling; pornography and obscene sexual behavior, and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality"

They make it sound like a bad thing.

12/19/2008 11:05:38 AM

Argle Bargle

illegal drug use

I guess prozac popping is a-ok for you.

excessive drinking

citation plox

exual relationships outside of marriage

ZOMG EXTRAMARITAL SEX SAVE US JEEBUS

abortion

Abortion bans will only increase back-alley abortions.

cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage

Co-ed roommates are of THE DEBBIL!!111ONE

obscene language

Fuck off.

gambling

How are those two even remotely related?

pornography and obscene sexual behavior

Yeah, because all sexual acts should be done beneath the covers, in complete darkness and with a deep sense of shame.Once again, fuck off you repressed prude.

and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality

Remember, only Jeebus can save you from teh ghey, unless your name is Ted Haggart.

God that was a waste of time.

12/19/2008 11:06:04 AM

apYrs

as Hitler rose to power, there was a lot of support in the US and UK for him from the conservative/republican end of the gallery. Lo, even true Xians (TM) supported what he did (until, I hope, they found out what he did!)

12/19/2008 11:56:57 AM

aaa

Godwin.

12/19/2008 11:57:51 AM



Retardapedia isn't even worth taking the time to think up a clever answer.

12/19/2008 11:59:17 AM

Mister Spak

"the Bible prohibition against homosexuality is quite arguably one of the many examples where the Bible exhibited knowledge that was ahead of its time. "

Like the earth being flat?

" “What’s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn’t right?"

Since Hitler said

"I believe that I am acting in accordance
with the will of the Almighty Creator:
by defending myself against the Jew,
I am fighting for the work of the Lord"
--Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

It looks like you have a point.

12/19/2008 12:29:34 PM

Siberia

I find it ironic that these people seem to think Hitler existed in a void and nobody before him ever thought the same ideas. Seriously, do you think he just woke up some day and was like "Jews, ew, let's kill them"?

Honestly? Hitler was only harping the same thing his contemporaries did. He didn't exist in a vacuum. His ideas were far from being original. If people didn't agree with him - good, honest, religious people - he wouldn't have done what he did. He'd be another lunatic in the footnote of history.

What he did was have the power, the charm and mental instability to do it. People agreed with him, not because they were atheists, but because they hated Jews and homosexuals and the Romani and so many others slaughtered in the concentration camps.

12/19/2008 12:49:33 PM

apYrs

a research group, such as the Barna Group, so firmly embedded in Xian ethos would hardly find differently! I wouldn't like to question their methodology, but the findings do suit their agenda

12/19/2008 1:01:41 PM

BufferickVonHellbags

smear campaigns for jebus!

12/19/2008 1:31:19 PM

Doctor Whom

That's right: Atheists approve of obscene words. In fact, they want to teach our children out of a book that repeatedly uses the word "piss."

Oh, wait. Maybe those aren't atheists.

12/19/2008 1:34:32 PM

Pule Thamex

Atheists are not as obsessed about sex as theists are.

Theists are, hypocritically, continually having sex outside of marriage.

Theists have to try and hide their sexual 'transgressions'.

The theist criminal element that populate American prisons and who are overwhelmingly Christian, indulge in anal sex every day.

Normal people everywhere have sex outside of marriage.

Biblical mores are avoided because they are immoral and unethical.

Fundamentalists are simpletons who want everybody else to sink down to their level.

Conservapedia denizens are brutal and violent thugs.

Women prefer intelligent, kind, and humourous men to knuckle-dragging morons. So that's as good a reason as any to not pay attention to conservapedia.

12/19/2008 1:56:47 PM

Reverend Jeremiah

illegal drug use;
like giving children wine during catholic mass? Make Pot 100% legal, Make mushrooms 100% legal, Make Peyote 100% legal, ease up on the Cocaine laws and thats it. By the way, I very rarely do drugs at all, and I have never touched cocaine.. unlike most of the Christian friends I have.
excessive drinking;
What do you consider "excessive drinking"? I have talked to some pentacostals who say if you drink one beer a year you are an alcoholic. You people are so skewed and extreme sometimes.
sexual relationships outside of marriage;
I lived with my girlfirend for 3 years before I married her. We have been together for 10 years now and I have never cheated on her once. Most Christians I know of have cheated on their wives SEVERAL TIMES.
abortion;
Ever heard of an Ectopic pregnancy before? Ever heard of Harlequin-type Ichthyosis? Thats just a small scratch compared to what is out there. Abortion isnt as simple as; "Theys killin babies an dats rong!"
cohabitating with someone of opposite sex outside of marriage;
LOL, in this day and age if you dont get to know your partner before you sign contracts then you are being a stupid cretin. Your ideas of marriage are so antiquated that most christians dont even follow the christian traditions of marriage...with good reason.
obscene language;
They are just fucking words man! You choose to be offended by them, and from what I have seen the Cretins LOVE to offend and BE offended.. so whats your fucking complaint?!
gambling;
If it wasnt for gambling then Christians would go nuts. I have met so many gambling addicts, ALL OF THEM CHRISTIAN, who will go so far as to get violent if you refuse to gamble your money with them. I dont like gambling at all, but unlike you CRETINS, just because I dont like something doesnt mean I want it outlawed.
pornography and obscene sexual behavior, and engaging in homosexuality/bisexuality.
You look at those nekid breasts and you know it. Who the hell are you fooling? LOL, there are some Cretins who go so far as to say that biology books are pornographic. How can we take you seriously when 85% of America is more than likely Christian? That means at least 85% of the porn industry is supported by Christians.

12/19/2008 1:59:19 PM

anonymous

That's funny because I don't do any of those things, even though some of them are not necessarily bad things to do.

"Per capita atheists and agnostics in the United States give significantly less to charity than theists even when church giving is not counted for theists."

Well, that's good, I'm sure whoever gets stuff from those charities really appreciates that.

However, you don't necessarily need to be a theist to donate to charity, and that doesn't automatically make your beliefs correct. It simply means you have more generous members.

12/19/2008 2:34:59 PM

Katsuro

@ demodocos:

Thanks man, you saved me a long day of google-ing.

12/19/2008 2:40:23 PM

enna

Wow, slanted much?

I wouldn't wipe my ass with Conservapedia.

12/19/2008 3:37:01 PM

Vince

So, what the study basically says is that atheists/agnostics in America are more likely to recognize that morality is relative and not absolute? Sounds like a win to me.

12/19/2008 4:17:31 PM

Antichrist


12/19/2008 5:29:30 PM

Shadoboy

Conservapedia, the best source of unbiased investigation!

Except for Wikipedia, Uncyclopedia, Enciclopedia Dramatica, The Homestar Runner Wiki...

12/19/2008 6:13:31 PM

Mr. Creazil

Absurd puritan values+quote mining=Conservapedia.

12/19/2008 9:37:56 PM

Old Viking

Why bother to quote from this source? You know what to expect.

12/19/2008 10:30:47 PM
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