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(From a fundie trying to varify his article Athiests vs. Christianity)

P: You say that atheists killed millions of people. So did Christians!
A: True, Christians have killed lots of people in the name of their faith. Here's the catch: in order to do so, they had to violate what their faith teaches. Christianity teaches to not hurt people, especially as a means of spreading the faith. When a Christian does this, he violates the teachings he claims to uphold. Thus, the Christian faith itself is not responsible for any slaughters.

My main purpose in pointing out the atrocities committed by atheists is that I'm tired of them whining about how awful Christians are because of the Crusades and such. When atheists try to use that argument, I've got a big ol' cup of shut-up juice to hand them.

Eternal Choice, Eternal Choice 22 Comments [12/19/2008 3:43:27 AM]
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Antichrist

**Sigh**



Here's a list of the injustices and cruelties that God demands, does in the bible. It's too long to put here.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

12/19/2008 3:58:08 AM

Cthulhuigi

So... um...

I was going to say something but it just seems so futile.

12/19/2008 4:06:44 AM

a mind far far away

Christians commit atrocities in the name of their god. Christians commit horrendous acts just because. To dodge the moral issue at hand, by using the "no true scotsman" approach is nothing more than an attempt to expunge all the evils christians have committed in the name of christianity, in order to present themselves in a better light. However, when one takes an objective look at the bible, and realizes that the christian god has commanded such acts from his followers, then one quickly realizes that to act in any other way, is to go against the sick ethical propositions put forth in that evil book. For all the crap Muslims take at the hands of overzealous conservative christians, by calling them evil murderers, followers of their prophet and book, they should apply the same criteria to their own religion, and realize that it is just as bad, if not worse, than Islam ever has been, or even is today. Muslims make the same claims about islamists terrorists, that they are not true Muslims, but acting against that faith. Christians say this is not the case, just look at the Qur'an and Hadith. But then, they do not wish this same idea to be applied to their own religion, because it exposes the bible and christianity for what it is, immoral, unethical, evil, bullshit.

12/19/2008 4:20:13 AM

Old Viking

No. They almost always killed because someone else violated what their faith teaches. Proactive killing on behalf of God and the church.

12/19/2008 4:29:44 AM

Pule Thamex

Wow! The best display of weasel words since oh, I dunno, say the last post.

So what you appear to be saying is that Christians can switch their Christianity on and off in order to do achieve certain things, for instance torture someone. In other words, you want your cake, with jam and cream on it, and eat it too. And you call that shut-up-juice. Not very bright are you? An not a good advertisement for Christianity either.

What a load of fatuous nonsense. No sale.

12/19/2008 4:30:08 AM

WMDKitty

Uh... AFAIK, most mass-murderers, serial killers, etc., are CHRISTFAGS. Christianity DOES teach violence towards non-christians, just read the OT.

12/19/2008 4:31:40 AM

atrasicarius

Could you repeat that? I couldnt hear you over all the bagpipes.

12/19/2008 4:40:07 AM

DarkfireTaimatsu

Here's the catch: in order to do so, they had to violate what their faith teaches.

Your faith also teaches that if you just tell God "sorry" telepathically, you're automatically forgiven, and it's like the offense never happened. In other words, you can justify anything to yourself. It's basically a get-out-of-jail-free card.

12/19/2008 4:49:01 AM

PokeWithStick

You mean a Christian gets a "get out of jail free" card if they are a Christian and commit a crime? Those lucky bastards.
BTW, what was the motto for the Crusaders?
GOD WILLS IT. *Starts laughing like a maniac*

12/19/2008 4:51:55 AM

Tomby Stone

As the Pope of Atheism I'd like to declare a few rules,

1. No male Atheist shall have a penis shorter than 8 inches, no female atheist should have breasts smaller than a D cup.

2. No Atheist should ever do anything bad, ever.

3. No Atheist should ever be anything other than super awesome and totally cool and like totally way better than any Christian has ever been and stuff.


So, I think you see. We Atheists are truly the greatest people on Earth.

12/19/2008 4:54:41 AM

Dexter

When a Christian does this, he violates the teachings he claims to uphold. Thus, the Christian faith itself is not responsible for any slaughters.

This doesn't make any sense to me, maybe it doesn't make sense at all.

MfG

12/19/2008 5:23:54 AM

Shadoboy

Isn't it delightful when someone's argument can be used aganist him?

12/19/2008 6:01:53 AM

aaa

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12/19/2008 9:33:57 AM

Thundersqueaks

Because your infallible interpretation of the bible makes you one of the only True Christians (tm).

12/19/2008 10:58:52 AM

Orion

*sighs* I wish that Shut-up juice was real so we could give it to people like you.

12/19/2008 12:22:11 PM

Mister Spak

True, Muslims have killed lots of people in the name of their faith. Here's the catch: in order to do so, they had to violate what their faith teaches. Islam teaches to not hurt people, especially as a means of spreading the faith. When a Muslim does this, he violates the teachings he claims to uphold. Thus, the Islamic faith itself is not responsible for any slaughters.

My main purpose in pointing out the atrocities committed by christians is that I'm tired of them whining about how awful Muslims are because of 9-11 and such. When Christians try to use that argument, I've got a big ol' cup of shut-up juice to hand them.

Fixed.


12/19/2008 12:54:20 PM

Canadiest

Yes we know. Christians always hate it when their history is brought up. Then they start making ridiculous excuses

12/19/2008 1:13:38 PM

Aethernaut

Uh, your argument is a two-way street, dumbass. Just because an atheist commits atrocities doesn't make it the fault of atheism as a whole.

12/19/2008 1:31:02 PM

Anna

But atheists should be held responsible for what other atheists do? I consider myself to be a humanist as well as an atheist; atheists who kill aren't acting on humanist principles; ergo, I don't fall into the same category as them.

I don't think their reasoning is that bad, though. But then again, atheists never kill 'in the name of no god!'.

12/19/2008 3:30:13 PM

Vince

The difference, Eternal Choice, is that any atrocities committed by atheists were done by evil men, of their own accord. There is no underlying universal belief that atheism espouses that made them do it. Hence, Mao, Stalin, etc., were evil mass-murdering fuckheads who just happened to be atheists.

The Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Holocaust came about because people believed that they were doing the right thing according to their belief system.

12/19/2008 4:34:18 PM

CrazyRoper

The real difference here is that christians have killed people in the name of their religion/god. Atheists that kill people don't do it in the name of atheism.

12/20/2008 12:01:28 AM

calshepN7

So I guess all of those times God commanded people to kill other people don't count. Or that true believers truly believed that God was commanding them to.

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