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("Personally this whole thing could have been solved by not letting any specific religious type symbols in a state capital.")

But then the anti-religious groups would have an outright monopoly on free speech and public expression. Because only religious groups would be banned from exhibiting their beliefs in public which is what Dan Barker's anti-Christians want. People will be fined for preaching the Gospel in public, but Dan Barker and his gang of Hipster Doofuses will be able to shout obscenities at Christians and it will be considered free speech.

There are places were the government is founded on atheistic principles and people are imprisoned and tortured for practicing their religion openly in public. This is what Dan Barker wants to happen in the United States.

If he and members of his gang had the political power that tyrants like Stalin and Hitler had they would do the same things they have done.

killerangel, CARM 29 Comments [12/28/2008 9:35:59 AM]
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If you´re trying to use the old tiresome argument of "my god has a bigger dick than yours", is just not going to work.

12/28/2008 9:40:28 AM

szaleniec

No, because "no religious symbols" would also mean that atheists (of which neither Hitler nor Stalin was an example, incidentally) would be no more allowed to put up a sign saying "there is no god" or something like that than a religious group would be allowed to put up a symbol of their faith.

12/28/2008 10:21:58 AM

Lilith

"There are places were the government is founded on fundamentalist religious principles and people are imprisoned and tortured for practicing their atheism or different religious views openly in public. This is what killerangel wants to happen in the United States."

FIXED.

12/28/2008 10:28:43 AM

Nami

*points to WBC*

Seriously, every time a christian says they don't have free speech...*sigh*

12/28/2008 10:31:34 AM

Percy Q. Shun

Blah, blah, blah, we're sooo prosecuted, blah, blah, blah, everybody has rights but us, blah, blah, blah, why can't we shove our religion down everyone's throats, blah, blah, blah...

12/28/2008 10:37:29 AM

Katsuro

Err...history fail. Hitler never imprisoned anyone for expressing religious belief. In fact, he and the churches as a whole had a kind of "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone" understanding.

12/28/2008 10:44:54 AM

Psittacosis

Um, some points, guys, for dealing with Godwins:

1. Stalin was an atheist. Sorry, but he was. He said so often enough. He found something else to be a fundie about, though.

2. Jehovah's Witnesses, for one, were persecuted for their beliefs by the Nazis. Others could get KZ time for having the wrong sort of faith - i.e. one in active opposition to the Nazis. They did not however, persecute Christians per se - although you could argue that any Christian who didn't oppose them wasn't much of a Christian. (As in, follower of the teachings of Jesus ... but then there aren't many of those anyway).

12/28/2008 11:03:33 AM

aaa

Same shit, same ass.

12/28/2008 12:14:37 PM

Mister Spak

You and members of your gang had that power in Nazi Germany, and you did do those things.

12/28/2008 1:53:34 PM

fundiesRtehlulz

I'm tired of the Stalin and Hitler arguments. I really don't want to quote Hitchens.

12/28/2008 2:34:49 PM

Papabear

"Hipster?" What decade did you just fall out of?

Instead of making things up, why don't you just ASK Dan Barker what he wants?

12/28/2008 4:38:31 PM

The Lazy One

Just when I thought fundies were getting better with the Godwins, this pops up.

12/28/2008 4:40:23 PM

freako104

You're not persecuted. Hitler was not an atheist.

12/28/2008 4:43:08 PM

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12/28/2008 5:23:08 PM

Beeblebrox

...Dan Barker and his gang of Hipster Doofuses will be able to shout obscenities at Christians...

1. They already can.


...and it will be considered free speech.

2. It already is.


If a group or a person is shouting obscenities at you, it may be because you are viewed as obscene.

If he and members of his gang had the political power that tyrants like Stalin and Hitler had they would do the same things they have done.

1. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Any Human with access to Hitler-and-Stalin levels of political power would wind up going down similar paths.

2. Humanity has had 2,000 years to observe the behavior of the Christian church during the time it had absolute power. Millions died in wars fought to enforce religious power. Millions were tortured to death in the name of religious purity.

12/28/2008 5:54:27 PM

John

But then the anti-religious groups would have an outright monopoly on free speech and public expression.

No, a lot of religious people don't want public religious displays, either. They know that any time you favor one religion, you automatically discriminate against another, so it's best for the government to stay out of the religious display business.

12/28/2008 6:03:44 PM

Thinking Allowed

{"Personally this whole thing could have been solved by not letting any specific religious type symbols in a state capital.")

But then the anti-religious groups would have an outright monopoly on free speech and public expression. Because only religious groups would be banned from exhibiting their beliefs in public which is what Dan Barker's anti-Christians want. People will be fined for preaching the Gospel in public, but Dan Barker and his gang of Hipster Doofuses will be able to shout obscenities at Christians and it will be considered free speech.


Citation needed please. It's not in public that I have a problem with the christians exhibiting their beliefs. It's when it's on government ground. Big difference there.

There are places were the government is founded on atheistic principles and people are imprisoned and tortured for practicing their religion openly in public. This is what Dan Barker wants to happen in the United States.

Citation needed there killerangel. Usually it's theological militant tyrannies that do it when you're not practicing their choices of religion.

If he and members of his gang had the political power that tyrants like Stalin and Hitler had they would do the same things they have done.

But he and members of his gang (while slaughtering proper grammer) don't have political power. Not to mention, Hitler was a christian. You should know this by now.

12/28/2008 6:28:22 PM

Old Viking

These idiots can make up a persecution faster than most people can fart. Dan Barker, for Crissake?

Incidentally, killerangel, the idea is no religious expression of any kind -- for or against -- on government property, or all is acceptable. Then you have things like the Washington free-for-all. You're the ones who are always yapping about placing your symbols on taxpayers' property. Make up your minds.

12/28/2008 7:53:04 PM

pete

Do these dumbphucks even pay attention to what they do/say? Have they even considered the fact that there constant whining in defense of their gods is evidence that their religions are without merit?

Here's the deal. If their gods are dependent on whiny little creeps it proves one of three things.

1. Their gods don't exist.
2. Theirs gods are impotent.
3. Their gods are fucking with them.

There are no other options.

12/28/2008 7:56:04 PM

Wehpudicabok

Do not mix fundie rants with Seinfeld references. It creeps me out.

12/28/2008 8:18:21 PM

werewolf

I am in favor of taxing any and all religious institutions to raise the level of prostitution in this country. More courtesans, less whores.

12/28/2008 8:20:27 PM

Fungimandias

Ya know, these fundies really should seek professional help for their persecution complex.

12/28/2008 9:11:56 PM

Moon Wolfhowl

Hitler was a Catholic. He did what he did in the name of God. Your god. Stop using him in your "atheists are evil because they want us to shut the fuck up! Waaahh!" arguments.

12/28/2008 9:44:04 PM

phaeton

hipster doofuses? lol

12/29/2008 4:15:16 AM

Mat

Uh-huh.....

Idiot. History doesn't work that way, and neither does politics.

12/29/2008 6:53:29 AM
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