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Jesus fulfilled 126 Old Testament Bible prophecies about Himself in his short 33 years on earth.

The Mathematical Odds of Jesus Fulfilling Prophecy

The following probabilities are taken from Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (Moody Press, 1963) to show that coincidence is ruled out by the science of probability.

Stoner says that by using the modern science of probability in reference to just eight prophecies, 'we find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 1017."

That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. In order to help us comprehend this staggering probability, Stoner illustrates it by supposing that "we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep.

"Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one.

What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man."

Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in

100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

The estimated number of electrons in the universe is around 1079. It should be quite evident that Jesus did not fulfil the prophecies by accident."

dogartdog, Ebay Art & Artist Discussion Board, post #72 76 Comments [12/29/2008 12:04:59 PM]
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GTFO my maths.

Edit: I have a better idea! Take a deck of cards without the jokers. Draw all cards one by one until you've drawn all cards.

Chance of this particular order: 1/52!

That is, if you write it completely:

1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

See? I can do large numbers too.

12/29/2008 12:05:20 PM

Tom S. Fox

"Jesus fulfilled 126 Old Testament Bible prophecies about Himself in his short 33 years on earth."

How do you know? Oh yeah, that's right - because the New Testament says so!

12/29/2008 12:12:41 PM

Microraptor

"we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep."

...No it wouldn't!! o_O

12/29/2008 12:17:06 PM



@ Microraptor:

You know the ^s are missing, right?

10^17, not 1017

12/29/2008 12:19:00 PM

Whitespirit

Oh come one. There is no historical evidence AT ALL from contemperaneous sources that the nazarene actually existed. Your imaginary friend can not have fullfilled even one prophecy else it would have been recorded by a contemporary historian.

It wasn't because he is a fantasy.

12/29/2008 12:22:10 PM

Committee of Concerned Underachievers

I'm curious how Stoner came up with the probability of 1/1017. This argument is rather weak on multiple accounts, even taking the pulled-out-of-ass probability out of the equation. For one, the writers of the Bible could have easily made the stories about Jesus fit the prophesies... Secondly, you can't use probability to say something is possible or impossible.

By the way, there are more than 1079 electrons in the universe... And 1017 silver dollars will _not_ cover the state of Texas two feet deep. Not that that has anything to do with what you were trying to say

12/29/2008 12:25:09 PM

Lucretius

It always amazes me that those who like to claim all these fulfilled prophecies seem to be under the impression that the writers of the NT were completely ignorant of the OT and the prophecies contained in it

12/29/2008 12:31:46 PM

Freboy

Well, if every word of the new testament is true, there would be little doubt that Jesus is the Messiah.

That is, however, an if.

12/29/2008 12:33:58 PM

David B.

"Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10^157"

Okay, now work out the chance that we and chimpanzees would have hundreds of identical ERVs in our genomes at the same places on the same chromosomes? (Hint: it's much, much, much less likely)

So presumably it is now even more evident that we and the other apes evolved from a common ancestor and the account in Genesis is hopelessly wrong, yes?

12/29/2008 12:42:59 PM

K T

Matthew 24:34

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."



OOPS...............

12/29/2008 12:45:56 PM

Zimmer

You fail because you have the preconcieved notion that the New Testament is factual word for word.

People like to make up stories. People like to embellish things. Considering that the gospels are supposedly written by 4 of the 12 men that Jesus handpicked himself to be his closest followers (aka his most zealous worshippers), then surely you can understand why I regard their writings with a bit of skepticism.

12/29/2008 12:46:52 PM

Canadiest

The odds are against it yet many others fulfilled the same prophecies BEFORE him

12/29/2008 12:58:55 PM

Nowonmai

Jesus fulfilled 126 Old Testament Bible prophecies about Himself in his short 33 years on earth.

Says who? Other than the bible and the Vatican.

12/29/2008 1:03:44 PM

Siberia

Gasp! Book is consistent with itself! How unlikely is that!

Please.

12/29/2008 1:06:10 PM

aaa

Dude, what are you smoking?

12/29/2008 1:10:20 PM

Doctor Whom

By that reasoning, the probability that both of my cars have the registration numbers that they do is less than 1 in 10^16. That means that statistically, neither of my cars exists. Think I can use that argument to get out of paying the car tax?

12/29/2008 1:16:08 PM

Eden

Well, it is easy for someone who has knowledge about the old testament and writes story about Jesus decades after his death, to make it appear as if Jesus fulfilled certain prophecies from the old testament.
To be more exactly:
If an evangelist wanted to let it appear as if Jesus fulfilled 126 prophecies from the old testament, by writing it down in his gospel, his chances to do so would be 1 in 1

12/29/2008 1:16:41 PM

Geno

You know what prophecy he didn't fulfill? The one about coming from the line the Messiah was supposed to be born from. You know, because of that whole immaculate conception thing that made Joseph not the father. Just saying.

12/29/2008 1:17:12 PM

Thammuz

It's outstanding that you wouldn't even think that the facts could have been altered... dumbass

12/29/2008 1:25:19 PM

OMGWTFBBQ

Uh, I know a few Rabbi's who'd like a word...

12/29/2008 1:31:54 PM

Atheist In A Foxhole

Sweet Shit, how stupid can one person be.

The mangling of numbers here is astounding. Is the education system really so poor. Can even homeschoolers be this stupid?

12/29/2008 1:40:45 PM

Paschal Wagner

So how many of those 126 took place in all those missing years of Jesus' life that the Bible says nothing about?

12/29/2008 1:47:08 PM

Oirish_Martin

"That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. In order to help us comprehend this staggering probability, Stoner illustrates it by supposing that "we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep."

....

Think you missed a step in your shitty probability calculation there, dogfartdog.

12/29/2008 2:04:06 PM

D Laurier

1) Proove that the character Jesus was ever on earth.

2) Name just one of the 126 Old Testament Bible prophecies you claim him to have fulfilled

12/29/2008 2:06:50 PM

Mortok

If it's that improbable, don't you think it's more likely that it never happened?

12/29/2008 2:07:52 PM
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