[Fundies discover island of GOGland, in the Gulf of Finland. Ron reaches for his atlas.]
Thanks Valerie for the pictures and checking this further. Yes it's North of Israel like the Bible says.
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That reminds me of a family of fundies who claimed that China, with a 200 million man army, was going to invade Israel because it China needed the land for it's huge population and it was conviniently located right next to Israel. Accordingly, all of this was prophesized in the bible. When I pointed out that China and Israel are historically good allies, and that China is a fucking huge country with lots of empty deserts - and why in the hell would they need a heavily populated little strip of land like Israel located thousands of miles away - they looked at me like I was crazy. I preferred the looks on thier faces when they actually saw a map and saw how tiny Israel was (they had thought it bigger then China), and how far away the 2 countries are.
Most of the fucking northern hemisphere is north of israel, And it's Gogland in english, which I can assure you is not the language of the bible.(Though so many of you fundies seem to think it is.)
I have no doubt about ND's story, I know (And am related to) many fundies who have the same lack of geographical knowledge. I've even talked with one idiot who can't understand why there are so many arabs in a european country like israel. Home-schooling at it's finest.
The Bible doesn't say anything about Gogland. It mentions "Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal". Magog, along with Meshech and Tubal, were Noah's grandsons by his son, Japheth. So in the OT, Gog was a person and Magog was a place. Revelation suggests they were both places, but confusingly identifies them as being in the four corners of the earth (despite there being only two of them).
Yet another nail in the coffin of literal interpretation of the Bible, though literalists will try to say the Gog and Magog of Rev. aren't the same ones as the OT.
See, if they had not have been homskuld, they would have had a proper training in geography, and would have already known this. Poor, pathetic, morons.
the gulf of Finland???
Stupid alert
That's Gogland in Russian (a language that is quite unlike Hebrew, as far as my meager linguistic knowledge goes)... but Hogland in Swedish, Hochland in German, and my personal favourite, Suursaari in Finnish (and Suursaar in Estonian). Since it's kind of different in all of these languages, I wonder what the heck is it in Hebrew?
The name means "great island" in Finnish, if it helps at all - at this time of the night, I'm not much of a translator to say what the heck it means in other languages. But please give all due consideration to other meanings of the names, too, before coming up with one!
I am currently north of Israel, like the Bible says. However, I might be going there in the spring. I must therefore be the AntiChrist. Yes?
Oh, thanks, Valerie, for checking this out. [She did discover that Högland was a scruffy, barren little island with nothing there].
Another poster said she found the pictures [maps] of Högland scary. I can see why she might have. For fundies, Earth maps are an indication that the world does not end at the carpark of the Walmart on the highway down the mountain: frightening indeed.
Here in the UK we have hundreds of small, thinly-populated, pointless islands.They are not scary at all, unless you happen to live on them.
fergus
More background information for people who are interested:
As said, the Finnish name for the island is Suursaari , which means "Great Island" or "Large Island". The Swedish name for the island is Hogland or Högland , which means "High Land". It is perhaps possible to interpret the Swedish "High Land" as "Great Island", but I'm not sure about that.
The English name for the island is simply Hogland. In other words the Swedish name is used without any attempt to interpret it.
As far as I can tell, the Russian name is somewhat similar to the English one. They took the Swedish name and wrote it as ??????? (Gogland ). Something similar happened to the ruins of Finnish villages on the island. For example Suurkylä , which means "Great Village" is ??????? (Surkyulya ) in Russian.
The Finnish inhabitants of the island abandoned it during the Winter War and the island has been Russian territory since the Moscow Armistice . The only things that might be seen as scary about the island today are that foreign nationals are not allowed there without a special permit (because Russia considers it to be a part of the Russian border zone) and that the island remains to be ruined and mostly abandoned.
More history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogland
(The Cyrillic letters show up as question marks, because Unicode apparently is not properly supported by FSTDT.)
An island north of Israel???
Yep, there's only one island north of Israel.
Nevermind the UK, Ireland, Iceland, Greenland, etc etc etc...
Dumbfuck
Reminds me of a joke about a End-Times prophecy nut who said the enemy who invades from the North was going to be Somalia (which is south of Israel. The Somali army would start travelling south, cross over the South Pole and the North Pole, and keep going until the reached Israel from the north!
The point of the joke was, if you really try hard enough, you can make a prophecy mean whatever you want it to mean.
Hay guyse, did you find me yet?
No, seriously. These fucks FAIL at geography. Our Gulf is nowhere near the israel. These fucks are getting way too close.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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