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You want proof for the existence of God, here are a few:

1. Israel - God said that they will always be a people once He brought them into existence and they have been. They are here today even though many atheists have tried to destroy them (Stalin as one example).

2. The over 300 Old Testament prophecies (some written 1500 years before His birth) of the first Advent of Jesus Christ. Could not be a coincidence because we do not have a number large enough to show the odds against all of them being fulfilled in One person.

3. The resurrection - yes the one with Christ Himself but also the one that I experienced. I was spiritually dead in my sins (a slave to sin) and God brought me to life (changed my life and set me free from slavery to sin).

Three real proofs, now go ahead and hit your knees in repentance (agree that God is right and you are wrong).

By the way God does not hear the prayers of non-Christians (with the exception of their first prayer of repentance).

Erik Brewer, Dangerous Intersection 122 Comments [12/31/2008 6:55:23 PM]
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Professor M

Anyway, there are outside sources (I mentioned them earlier) that speak of the man Jesus. So we have the Bible and outside sources

The existence of a person is not rationally equivalent to the absolute truth of every story promoted by that person's fans. Most of us will say that yes, Elvis existed -- this doesn't mean that we're all giving evidence that Elvis is still alive and performing weekly at a small bar in Las Vegas.

3/31/2011 9:52:42 PM

Justanotheratheist

There's plenty of outside sources that speak of Harry Potter as well. I guess all those books must be true stories, then.

4/1/2011 12:36:24 AM

Olympiad

Erik--

The microscopic snippet regarding Jesus in Josephus's documentations are considered a forgery-- his account of Jesus as actually being the Messiah is just plain bizarre, especially within the given context. Google it-- maybe you'll find its not as black and white as I think it is, but I doubt it. Doubt is okay with you, isn't it?

Nevertheless, I dont know why you bother coming here. You're only interested in winning an argument and being a dick rather than actually giving a damn about people ("God laughs at homosexuality." Is that what he seriously would have you tell us??) or exemplifying the character of Jesus, who I would say, as a former christian and Catholic school survivor, would be above snapping at a bunch of ignorant non-believers whose prayers, as you have stated, are futile.

As for biblical contradictions, my favorite (and there are many to choose from) is this: Try gathering the resurrection story from each of the four gospels and see how swimmingly they interweave. It's amazing!

You're doing more harm for your cause than good. I remember a lame christian song from my devout high school days that went something like "sometimes god's children should be seen and not heard/ there's too much talk and not enough walk..."

STFU. Take a walk.

And check out the graph of bible contradictions at Project Reason. It'll blow your bloody mind!


4/1/2011 3:07:15 AM

Anon-e-moose

The 24 hours are up (and an extra hour or so added, being the generous type I am!). Well, ErikB(ullshit)Brewer, no appearance of your so-called 'God' as per my demand of him (and you) to prove his existence to my satisfaction, nor him demonstrating his 'powers' to prove he is 'God', neither. Therefore, by your own admission (and inaction), you yourself have proved that your 'God' doesn't exist.

This discussion is now over. But then, it was pointless right from the start. As are fundies, and their own existence. Everything they say, do, think and 'believe' is equally pointless.


@Olympiad

"As for biblical contradictions, my favorite (and there are many to choose from) is this: Try gathering the resurrection story from each of the four gospels and see how swimmingly they interweave. It's amazing!"

"STFU. Take a walk.

And check out the graph of bible contradictions at Project Reason. It'll blow your bloody mind!"

ErikB(ullshit)Brewer had better not click this link:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

If he knows what's good for him. Otherwise...:



...oh wait.

>:D

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@The Duelist

"Funny how I explained this in my previous comment, yet you simply ignored it."

Funny indeed. And not in a 'Funny-ha-ha' way, neither. To borrow from ErikB(ullshit)Brewer's own words verbatim, and turn such against him (emphasis added):

"I figured you would run away from that question."

Like I say, ErikB(ullshit)Brewer: Your own words may come back to haunt you.

4/1/2011 6:50:24 AM

The Duelist

"I do not think that I ever wrote that."

Really? Then I guess you weren't trying to use the 500 zombie witnesses as proof? As I said before Eric, being deliberately obtuse will get you nowhere.

"Anyway, there are outside sources (I mentioned them earlier) that speak of the man Jesus."

So? As I've shown, they did not provide proof for Jesus' divinity, nor his "miracles", or his reanimation as a Zombie God, or anything else; a perfunctory mention by some obscure historians alone proves nothing, as you'd know if you were not so well-indoctrinated.

"So we have the Bible and outside sources, yet you will never be satisfied."

I'm beginning to think that you're here merely to waste our time. For starters, you don't *have* the bible because it cannot serve as it's own evidence; plus, it's full of blatant myths, falsehoods, contradictions, and logical fallacies. And since these "outside sources" of yours do nothing other than confirm the existence of a cult started by someone called Jesus, you still have no corroboration. Funny how I explained this in my previous comment, yet you simply ignored it.

"Please read this article because during the 1st Cent, people were just like you. (http://erikbrewer.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/belief-signs-and-palm-sunday/)"

Your link doesn't work.

EDIT;

@Anon-e-moose;

Yep; S.S.D.D., my friend. Every single freakin' time.

4/1/2011 8:48:36 AM

ErikBBrewer

@ Anon-e-moose
As far as God appearing before you, He does not work on your time but you do work on His. One day you will be called to stand face to face with Him and give an account for your mockery. It will not be pretty and I want you to remember all of our convos when that happens.

4/1/2011 2:23:21 PM

Anon-e-moose

@ErikB(ullshit)Brewer (and his own 'bloviating' tl;dr. Hypocrite, much?):


4/2/2011 10:15:51 AM

ErikBBrewer

@ Anon-e-moose

Still waiting on you to admit your defeat. How did that piece of humble pie taste?

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=55197&Page=3#1273487

4/2/2011 10:28:06 AM

Canadiest

Getting chewed up here pretty bad Erik.

Your final tactic of "god will get us for questioning you" is real lame, the Christians here have their own relationship with Him and we Atheists are not frightened of mythical (imagined) deities

Evidence is what we're looking for, you have repeatedly refered to a book of parables plagarized from earlier beliefs. The Bibles are unorigional myth compilations

4/3/2011 6:35:32 AM



"god will get us for questioning you"

Where do you get that idea? Mocking and questioning are 2 different things.

4/3/2011 11:15:58 AM

ErikBBrewer

@ Anon-e-moose

BTW, you do realize that scientific data also has to be interpreted?

4/3/2011 11:17:34 AM

ErikBBrewer

"it's full of blatant myths, falsehoods, contradictions, and logical fallacies"

Still waiting to see those :)

4/3/2011 11:18:29 AM

ErikBBrewer


4/3/2011 11:30:52 AM

TWoozl

Don't even presume to comment on the process of scientific peer review, Erik; Science decided quite wisely long ago, that results may not simply be accepted by the decree of a single individual or regulatory body. You're an idiot to assume that simply because it's "subject to interpretation", that it means "subject to interpretation" applies on the same level of "Fool sits down and reads a 2,000 year old cobbled-together collection of Greek, Roman, Aramaic and other absolute nonsense". Science is not a democracy. It is not subject to YOUR interpretation as a member of the general public for veracity, it is subject to the review of its peers. Dozens, or hundreds, perhaps even thousands of highly educated men and women who devote their lives to a single field of study.

But here. Let me stoop to your level and present things in such a fashion that you might actually grasp them; Please select the correct verse I may apply to my life, in dealing with you.

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I await some amusing apologetic gymnastics. Dress this word salad, would you kindly.

4/3/2011 11:33:43 AM

ErikBBrewer

"other absolute nonsense"

Do not murder is obsolete? Do not lie, do not steal? Wow, you have just admitted that you are a criminal and have no problem murdering, lying, and stealing. Are most atheists like you?

4/3/2011 11:39:01 AM

ErikBBrewer

"PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. "

I really like this passage. I have studied it a lot (especially since dealing with atheists).

Do not answer the fool according to his tactics (mocking, name calling, swearing, threats, etc) or you will end up being like him (you, you have used all of these tactics).

Do confront the fool and show him his folly (what I have been doing here on this site) because if you do not, he is conceited and will remain so.

4/3/2011 11:42:09 AM

TWoozl

That was cute of you. Rather than actually address any point or question, you dance off on a peculiar tangent, call me a criminal (Where did I even mention your ten commandments, praytell), and fail utterly at addressing any point.

I rest my case. You're an aggrandizing fool with nothing of value to commit to any intellectual process.

4/3/2011 11:43:20 AM

TWoozl

Ah, alright. So you do have an apologetic answer regarding suffering a fool. Now, would you kindly care to share the points system upon which you redeem the God Points for a free pass into heaven? Or really. Is there a purpose to what you do? Perhaps you'd be better suited to preying upon the destitute. Love Jesus and you get a sandwich!

Character aspersions. They're rather toxic, aren't they.

(Edit: Oh cute! Points to slap you with. Thanks, Erik, you're the greatest!)

"Do not answer the fool according to his tactics (mocking, name calling, swearing, threats, etc) or you will end up being like him (you, you have used all of these tactics)."

Mocking - Gee, you call atheists bullies, criminals and other various terms.

Name calling - You finished calling me a criminal a post or two back. You've called atheists various epithets since, though at least you're too spineless to resort to outright profanity.

Swearing - Yeah, you've got me on this one. Doesn't make you any less of a total asshat, mind, and at least I'm honest enough to call you out on it at face value.

Threats - Um. This is the cornerstone of your entire deluded faith. Believe in Skydaddy or he'll hand you off to his idiot spawn Satan to torment for all eternity.

Yeah. Not looking good, Erik.


4/3/2011 11:47:11 AM

The Duelist

"Still waiting to see those :)"

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

Bon Apetit. ;)

4/3/2011 12:44:13 PM

ErikBBrewer

"Fool sits down and reads a 2,000 year old cobbled-together collection of Greek, Roman, Aramaic and other absolute nonsense"

That would include the Old T. (where the 10 commandments are found)

4/3/2011 1:29:22 PM

ErikBBrewer

"Mocking - Gee, you call atheists bullies, criminals and other various terms."

Calling a bully a bully (because of what he has written) is not mocking. I think you have your definitions confused.

You, yourself, said that the 10 commandments are obsolete (i.e. murdering)

"Other various terms", wow, that is very specific.

4/3/2011 1:31:41 PM

ErikBBrewer

For those who think that Christianity is all about escaping hell and inheriting heaven, you need to crack open the Bible and actually read It.

Christianity is about a personal relationship with God, a relationship that changes your character. You are changed from a slave to sin to a person who is free. Heaven is a perk.

4/3/2011 1:34:05 PM

ErikBBrewer

@ The Duelist
The same list from SAB, already disproved :)

4/3/2011 1:34:53 PM

TWoozl

And yes, absolutely, the ten commandments are obsolete. Here's precisely why:

- We have secular law. It advances as society does.

- If you only act like a good person because you're afraid of Skydaddy, you are not a good person, you're a monster barely held in check by a myth. People like you kill on a whim when the voices tell you to.

- If you only have ten commandments, how do you adapt commandment eleven to changing circumstances in a progressing world? Ask God for an errata slate?

- They're chiseled in stone in a single language (And the language isn't even specified). Wouldn't you think if they were meant to be inbuilt global laws, they'd be written in Human Master Sourcecode or something? Translation introduces errata. Like say, the Bible itself. How about those talking snakes, eh? Or that global flood with incest miraculously dodged despite such a tiny population.

- They were chiseled on stone, and not say, something nigh on impervious to time like Inconel. God created everything, according to you, so Skydaddy should supposedly be able to make a nice slate of solid Inconel. Or fullerene. Or at least a slab of titanium, if he can't spring for the good stuff.

Still an idiot, Erik, no matter how much you squirm and dance on the cover of an obsolete book.

4/3/2011 2:52:28 PM

ErikBBrewer

"ten commandments are obsolete, We have secular law"

Funny, do not murder finds it way into secular law. Unless you agree with murder, you follow the teachings of the 10 commands

4/3/2011 2:57:02 PM
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