Man – I think, therefore I am.
God – No, I am. You exist because I am.
Man – You are what?
God – I am.
Man – What am I?
God – My creation.
Man – Who created you?
God – I am. I was not created. I create.
Man – I can create things.
God – You can only use the raw materials I have already provided to “create things”.
Man – What of my inventions?
God – You have need of inventions due to sin entering the perfect world I created.
Man – Why?
God – Because you were thinking.
Man – I thought I could be like you.
God – There you go thinking again.
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Man - Are you the God depicted in the Old Testament?
God - Why, yes, yes I am.
Man - And you're male, right?
God - Right.
Man - Then you're a lying, conniving, genocidal bastard who doesn't deserve to be talked to civilly much less be worshiped. And you're a guy, so... *Jackie Chan style kick in the nuts*
There are better conversations with this guy. Try getting one copy of the interview with God by Ephraim Kishon.
Besides the lack of originality, the argument itself isn't even really fundie. It's what nearly every Christian theist on this planet is bound to believe. So, I give it a 3 just because its origin.
Man I think, therefore I am.
God No, I am. You exist because I am.
Man You are what?
God I am.
Man What am I?
God My creation.
Man Who created you?
God I am. I was not created. I create.
Man That's total bullshit, y'know
God yeah
God You have need of inventions due to sin entering the perfect world I created.
Man Why?
God Because you were thinking.
Man I thought I could be like you.
God There you go thinking again.
-Fundamentalism in a nutshell.
It never ceases to amaze me how these halfwits come out with arguments 'against thinking' and expect them to be taken seriously, when they are caught THINKING THEMSELVES. I mean, not effectively, or accurately. But the above does describe some sort of train of thought. A proof that no proofs are possible, which would itself be a proof, and therefore not possible.
Ah yes, thinking is evil.
It could lead you to question the literal truth of the bible and the existence of god in the form as he is described therein.
Total cortectomy for God *thumpsup*
Man I think, therefore I am.
God No, I am. You exist because I am.
Man You are what?
God I am.
Man What am I?
God My creation.
Man Who created you? Oh that's right, I did, in this book of bullshit called the Bible. You don't exist outside of my imagination.
God - Damn, busted! *disappears*
Man I think, therefore I am.
God No, I am. You exist because I am.
Man You are what?
God I am.
Man-So are you saying that you are the totality of existence ?
God-I Am
Man-So does that mean that everything,every atom, every molecule,every plant, every animal is actually part of you
God-Well no as that would be panthiesm
Man-You aren't the totally of existence then
God-I am outside of reality
Man-That contradicts your statement of "I am"
God-I have a headache now ,which considering I am incoporeal and don't actually have a head is pretty damn miraculous if you ask me
Man -NO-ONE was asking you
Can someone explain to me why these people object to words like stupid, ignorant or brainless? One would imagine that, given their deity's apparent hatred of thought or any kind of thinking process, they would wear them as badges of honour that demonstrate their faith.
God There you go thinking again.
Yeah! Right on! Bloody thinkers! With your poncey... thoughts... Stop it! Stop thinking immediately Mankind!
Blind unquestioning faith and jaw-dropping stupidity are clearly much better than than those arrogant God-haters and their thinking...
At least, that's what I think. I think...
The fact that any sentient being thinks this represents reality is a disgrace.
Hilarious, too, that such a conversation never has and never will actually take place. "God" just doesn't feel the need to ever *actually* communicate with us. He works in "mysterious ways" which includes having men in dresses ask for your money and making people roll around on the ground speaking givberish.
Man - I think, therefore I am.
God -
Man - Hey, God, if you're up there, show me a sign.
God -
Man - Hail Satan. Ya listening, God? Hit me with lightning or something, ya punk.
God -
Man - God, we've been asking for you for 40,000 years, where are you?
God -
<< crickets >>
"God You have need of inventions due to sin entering the perfect world I created.
Man Why?
God Because you were thinking."
Man - But if the world was perfect and I was part of the world, how could my thinking make it less perfect?
God - Er... I gave you free will and you used it to think imperfect things. *phew*
Man - So free will was part of your "perfect creation", but its existence lead to imperfection. So why not leave out the free will?
God - Because then my creation wouldn't have been perfect.
Man - But if it could only be perfect if it included free will, and including free will caused imperfections, then your perfect creation is predestined to become imperfect.
God - But...
Man - So your creation must either exclude free will and not be perfect, or include it and have only transitory perfection.
God - No, you...
Man - So it is in fact impossible to create something with perpetual perfection. Yet you blame man for this, not yourself for attempting the impossible.
God - Your...
Man - And if perpetual perfection is impossible, then presumably heaven can't be perfect either. Nor, come to think about it, can you be. Which explains quite a lot, really.
God - See? This is why I don't like you thinking!
Man - Because I'd work out that you can't be perfect, and that the imperfection in the universe is your fault not mine, but you're punishing me for it because your ego can't face up to your own shortcomings?
God - Exactly!
René Descartes was a Christian and used the "I think therefore I am" logic to argue that God exists.
K, by the way, God is also referred as female over half the time in the Old Testament.
Silly me, THINKING, that's the problem! Let's all stop thinking, you people at RR first. Oh, for the record, the only way not to think is to die, goodbye!
Man: Please God, can you end all the war, pain, hatred and poverty in the world?
God: ...
Man: Please, lord, I beg of you!
God: ...
Man: Just give me a sign, any sign that you're there!
God: ...
Man - So you made me the creature with the most powerful brain on the planet, except for yours?
God - Yes.
Man - And did you not give me a personality such that I would love thinking, and strive to do it as much as possible?
God - Yes.
Man - And I'm going to punished for doing exactly what you've intended me to do?
God - Yes.
...
Man - You're a douche.
"God There you go thinking again."
The fact that they could see no wrong in this embodies everything that is wrong with stupidities like religion, psychics, faith healing... anything that requires a suspension of questioning and critical thinking is patently absurd.
*picks up the pieces of the exploded Irony Meter*
Only among Rapture Ready Retards, and like minded fundies, does this make believe dialog seem rational.
Rene Descartes once stopped at an inn for a small libation. When he finished, the waiter asked, "Would you like another, sir?" "I think not," said Descartes, and disappeared.
"What great fortune for leaders that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler
As for me, I prefer to think. A lot. If I'm over-thinking, at least I know I'm still thinking.
Good luck on your end.
At the risk that someone already wrote this :
Man - Wait, you talking to me, would definitely prove your existence, therefore removing the need of faith and without faith you can not exist, therefore you don't.
God - Oh my god, I didn't think of that *poof*
Man - Wow, that was easy, now I'm gonna prove that black is white.
The man later died at a pedestrian crossing.
"Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible; thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man."
- Bertrand Russell
And why fundies are SO scared of Atheists. Because we think for ourselves.
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore, by Your own arguments, You don't. Q.E.D."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
Man - I think, therefore I am.
God - No, I am. You exist because I am.
Man - You misunderstand. I was saying why I know that I really exist, not what has brought me into existence.
God - Oh, right...
Man - By the way, weren't you supposed to be all-knowing?
God - Would you believe if I said I was just joking? Because that's what I was doing. Joking. And testing if you were paying attention.
Man - Well, ok...
"God I am. I was not created. I create. "
Why is it so hard for people to believe that the universe cannot just exist alone, but god can?
Cogito, ergo sum. I'd rathter think for myself than listen to some egotistic skybully.
More detailed: Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum. I question, therefore I think, therefore I am.
Man - Well, if you created me, then why did you give me the ability to think?
God - That wasn't me, that was the serpent that decieved you.
Man - But in the Bible, Adam was given the task of naming all the animals before he ate the apple. How could he do that if he couldn't think? For that matter, even animals display evidence of having the ability to think, even if --
God: Look. Do what I say or I'll send you to Hell. That's really all you need to know, all right?
Man - But that doesn't -
God: DO IT!!!!
Man - . . . Douche.
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