This fall I heard 'those that know what is best for us' repeating the mantra: "we must all get the flu vaccine for the good of the entire community". They can hammer away at our individual rights and liberties by claiming actions are for the "good of the community" or "for the children". We're being indoctrinated now, have been for quite a while, so when these things get shoved down our throats only a small percentage of the population will object, and those will find themselves on the wrong end of the law and fined, imprisoned, whatever... whatever it takes to get them out of the way.
When they search your home and find a firearm, you are a terrorist, and maybe guilty of a horrible fabricated crime. When they find your modest pantry full of food it is your fault that children are starving while you hoard food selfishly for yourself. When the time comes, it is a no win situation for those who seek God and endeavor to live according to His Way. Your children will be taken from you and taught that you are an enemy... they may even be the ones to turn you in.
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You are free to reject the 'flu vaccine if you want.
However, if your children contract flu, and become seriously ill, it is very likely that you will be charged with gross negligence.
the principle of mass vaccination to avoid epidemic is a proven one, and one we're seeing in the default in the UK as cases of measles rise (with the concomitant hysteria from their middle class parents "who knew best").
So when your kids get flu, will you keep them away from all health care workers and treat them yourself, and yourself in quarantine?
"When they search your home and find a firearm, you are a terrorist, and maybe guilty of a horrible fabricated crime. When they find your modest pantry full of food it is your fault that children are starving while you hoard food selfishly for yourself. When the time comes, it is a no win situation for those who seek God and endeavor to live according to His Way. Your children will be taken from you and taught that you are an enemy... they may even be the ones to turn you in."
*fapfapfap*
Firarms?
Wasn´t it Jesus who was a strong supporter of "Swords into Ploughshares" and who told people to turn the other cheek when being hit on the one?
There is obviously no reason for a faithful christian to have a firerm in his possession. (well, maybe a single hunting rifle, but I suspect that you aren´t talking about those but rather about firearms that might be used against other humans...things like shotguns or the like)
When you children get sick, you do not get treatment.
If other children get sick because of your negligence and stupidity, you will be sued.
Dude, get the damn flu shot and all your vaccines. Mostly because I'm very, very, very, allergic to the flu shot and can't get one myself so I don't want your germ filled spawn spreading it. I also would not like to see another outbreak of those diseases we've "eradicated" with vaccines reemerge thanks to your equating "the greater good" with "everyone hates us"
When they find your modest pantry full of food it is your fault that children are starving while you hoard food selfishly for yourself
IF you have a pantry full of food and your children are hungry and malnourished then it is YOUR fault you moron
It is amusing. My granny thinks that the vaccine is the greatest thing in the world since one of her children died due to the measles at the age of 4. She was so grief stricken that she "lost faith". She believed in astrology like many Hindus. The astrologer predicted a long life for the child. He died age 4...
So she embraced science. She went to local libraries and read. Then sent my mother's generation to medical school.
There are people who seek such knowledge and I am proud of them. You however can fuck off and die since you are actually making the world more unsafe. See these idiots are kept safe by our vaccinations.
You can still get the flu if you get a flu shot, meaning you can still expose other people to it no matter what.
Funny how if you're on Rapture Ready you automatically have to believe that the government is evil and out to get you, while if you're on this site you're expected to automatically believe that anything they come up with is in our best interests. If you don't, you're a fundie. Sheeple either way.
{When they find your modest pantry full of food it is your fault that children are starving while you hoard food selfishly for yourself.}
If you let your kid starve while you've got a pantry full of food, you're damn right it's your fault and you damn well deserve to have CPS take the kid away from you.
And no one from RR has said this yet? Now I know there is no God, a sentient creator would be horribly ashamed to be responsible for making such idiots.
I may be wrong, but I think what the OP means is that *other* children may be starving due to them having all the food at their house - they have to keep a good supply in for those left behind in the rapture *rollseyes*
I do think it is ridiculous to keep a huge stash of food in "just in case" not sure that the implications are that others would starve, but I suppose if enough people did it...
The flu vaccine tends to be over-rated as a prevention device, it is useful for the old and infirm, but not so much for everyone else, however, other vaccinations such as measles are saving lives every day and not getting innoculated against those *is* terribly selfish.
/rant.
@Lucretius, Mark
I think that what he means is that it's your fault if other people's children are starving when the end comes, not your own...
...although, I betting that if it gets to that point, it may very likely be "his fault."
"When they search your home and find a firearm, you are a terrorist, and maybe guilty of a horrible fabricated crime. "
Then you will go to gitmo, be tortured and never get a trial. Isn't your president Bush wonderful for his war against terrorists?
Oh, I hate anti-vaccers with a fucking passion. Hey dumbass, people like you are the reason diseases that have previously been wiped out or made rare are returning, because you have to be holier-than-thou and fail to inoculate yourselves and your germ-factory kids. Will it take a fucking outbreak of rubella, German measles, TB and smallpox before you'll stop and listen?
Fucking douchebags. I swear, if the Ebola virus ever made it into the mainstream, these people would be the first to deny it's existence.
It all comes down to interpretation doesn't it? Most whooshmeisters tend to have an agricultural outlook on life. Hence their interpretation of the bible is brutish. Their beliefs tend to bolster their general nastiness and their dislike of normal people. Being prone to obsessive fantasizing turns them in to paranoid, delusional, zealots who think they are superior to those people who are not in their sect.
Kid, you're a white Christian. Your chances of being accused of terrorism are negligible, unless you actually go out and commit some, and even then there will be people willing to defend you and whinge that not all Christians are like this.
What the fuck is wrong with the flu vaccine? Seriously, when I was younger I didn't bother getting it because I was worried about the mercury in it, and this was before the whole "Vaccines cause Autism" bullshit. And now that that crap is going on, I've researched: there is so little mercury in it that it's irrelevant, the mommies jumping on the autism bandwagon are idiots, and they would know so if they bothered doing any research whatsoever.
"we must all get the flu vaccine for the good of the entire community"
Actually, it's an individual thing. See, if you're immune to the flu... How do I put this.. you're less likely to get it, and thus less likely to die.
@anonymous :
If that's all there was to it, I'd be happy for him to risk his own health and be done with it.
But not everyone can be vaccinated. Quite apart from the small minority of people who are allergic, the vaccine is not normally given to children under 6 months (typically, but varies from country to country), people who have recently had a recent bout of fever, or people with Guillain-Barre syndrome. Additionally, the logistics of vaccination dictate that a significant proportion of the population is unprotected for some considerable time.
These people are at risk from influenza through no fault of their own, but only if they catch it from someone else.
The less people are actually susceptible to flu, the less effectively it will spread through the population, so the smaller the chances of an unimmunised person coming into contact with it. So those people who are not immunised (either by choice or circumstance) still gain partial protection from the disease when most people in their community have been.
So getting a shot does benefit the rest of the community, by adding to its 'herd immunity'. Conversely, voluntarily ducking the shot is a risk to the health of more than just the person involved. And even that personal risk has been reduced by the immunisation undertaken by others. So TT is not only being selfish, stupid and reckless with the health of others, he's acting like a parasite too.
> Your children will be taken from you and taught that you are an enemy... they may even be the ones to turn you in.
Well, if you will vote Republican.... But never mind the past, American society has a chance to step back from the threshold of fascism now. One chance. Please don't fuck it up.
They can hammer away at our individual rights and liberties by claiming actions are for the "good of the community" or "for the children".
Kind of like you people on same-sex marriage, no?
This is making me think more and more that God inspired Rapture Ready to make people believe that He has a sense of humor.
And *echoes everyone else here* if your children are starving while you eat all the food yourself, you're an asshole, use your firearm to kill yourself.
your flu vaccine comment was what??
while i agree with you in detail, your point is basically a rant!
chill out!
When they search your home and find a firearm, you are a terrorist, and maybe guilty of a horrible fabricated crime.
What country is this person living in? Here in the U.S., right-wing white supremacist militia groups can freely train to overthrow the government, but pacifist anti-war (and/or pro-environment and/or pro-social-justice) groups are infiltrated and declared "terrorist". Care to trade places?
>>Booty
The flu vaccine tends to be over-rated as a prevention device, it is useful for the old and infirm, but not so much for everyone else<<
That isn't quite correct. What matters is that enough people get vaccinated so that herd immunity can stop an epidemic. Now, if there were an epidemic, the elderly and already ill would be the most common fatalities. But for herd immunity to work, you can't just vaccinate one section of the population.
Wikipedia informs me that a thorough study in Japan determined that for every four hundred schoolchildren vaccinated for influenza each year, one fatality was prevented (that is to say, somebody's grandparent lived a while longer). So an argument could be made that not getting vaccinated is a form of endangerment.
However, no one has ever been charged for that. There are more important endangerment cases, like people who know that they're HIV positive and still have unprotected sex with HIV-negative partners, and even if there were not, you couldn't charge half the population at once.
And I have no idea how Timbers went from "government recommends flu shots" to some 1984-esque dystopia.
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