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Me, Richard Dawkins and P Z Myers put together have never murdered anyone, either. So, did you have a point, or what?
(And what kind of weird-ass fundie thinks JP II and Robertson are both Christian?)
1/15/2009 10:20:18 PM
Yet, here I am, an atheist that has never killed a single person. I also know dozens of other atheists that are not murderers. I could also go to the trouble to point out the many murders that have been done in the name of the cross, as well as many other religions, but I'm too lazy.
1/15/2009 10:20:22 PM
Stalinism is bad, pretty sure we already knew that.
1/15/2009 10:20:33 PM
We can make lists of Christians who have killed a lot of people. But the point is that we can also make lists of Christians who have killed people because of their faith, while it's very hard (or perhaps impossible) to find atheists who killed anyone because of their lack of faith.
Most of the people on that list killed people because they were dictators with a very twisted version of communism that isn't good for anyone, not because they were atheists.
1/15/2009 10:21:43 PM
God, Christian: 2,391,421 confirmed kills in the bible alone.
And that doesn't even include that time he wiped out the entire population of the planet, because we don't know how many people that was.
1/15/2009 10:24:20 PM
I notice you don't mention Torquemada or Richard the Lionheart in your little list of good little Christians, let alone Hitler. I wonder why.
Wait, no I don't.
1/15/2009 10:26:23 PM
Oh they're all willing to call Cathoilics Christians when it's convenient. Oh, and each and every one of those people you mentioned? They killed to maintain their power. Their religious beliefs factored in not one iota. Anita Bryant did everything in her power to ensure that homosexuals remained classified as subhumans, fighting basic equality initiatives...so while she may not have killed anyone, the belief she incited in others, which in several cases lead to violence, means she does have blood on her hands. The same can be said about Pat Robertson. Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong, however, as John Paul II seems awfully out of place here. As a pope, he was fairly progressive. Finally, though, shall we talk about another good Christian? A spunky little fella, goes by the name Adolph...?
1/15/2009 10:28:01 PM
Not this shit again...
1/15/2009 10:39:32 PM
Anita Bryant and Pat Robertson get by purely on semantics. Anita Bryant promoted mob violence against gay people, and Pat Robertson (when he's not busy promoting assassination of democratically-elected politicians) has caused huge numbers of deaths through his participation in restricting the distribution of condoms in Africa. Fidel Castro gets his "1 million" under criteria much more slanted than those it would take to credit Dubya with well over a million dead in Iraq, in a much shorter period of time.
1/15/2009 10:40:05 PM
My country was converted to Christianity with the following possible alternatives:
"Convert or die!'
And yes, those who did not convert to Christianity, were killed.
1/15/2009 10:44:44 PM
How many people did the Spanish Inquisition kill? The Crusades? If you are going to list atheists that committed mass murder, you have to also count ALL the Christians that committed mass murder.
And you could say that by discouraging people in Africa from using condoms, JP2 killed a whole lot of people by causing them to contract AIDS.
And, none of those people killed in the name of atheism, they killed because they were bad people, they would have been bad people and probably would have killed people even if they were Christian.
Lots of mass murder has been committed in the name of Christianity, I don't know of any mass murder committed in the name of atheism.
1/15/2009 10:51:05 PM
I am going pull a Goodwin but Hitler was a catholic. He was exterminating Jews to gain favour with god. And the current pope at the time never got around to excommunicate him.
1/15/2009 11:00:52 PM
It was fanaticism (whether to ideology or self) that inspired all those deaths, not atheism per se.
1/15/2009 11:02:55 PM
God: 312784632894712896347832046218736342783712897642187312687 quadrillion dead and counting.
1/15/2009 11:07:09 PM
Look at Hitler, The salem witch trials, the inqusition, the middle ages, etc...
It's not like you're religion has never commeted mass murder.
1/15/2009 11:10:26 PM
Stalin was going to train as a priest....
I read something similar about this in a comment in a shitty free paper. Some how wrote in using Hitler, Stalin and Mao and someone else to say that their death toll combined dwarfs people killed by religion.
Which I doubt it does...
1/15/2009 11:13:43 PM
Adolf Hitler: Christian - Anyone wanna help me with his kill count?
1/15/2009 11:16:48 PM
Theoretically, since death only came to humans after the Fall, and it was God who decreed such a horrendous punishment for a trivial misdemeanour, then EVERY SINGLE PERSON who ever died, it was at the hands of God.
1/15/2009 11:18:32 PM
And Pol Pot, Mao, and lil' Kim are asian. Therefore all asians are mass murderers.
1/15/2009 11:23:04 PM
Christian church: Hundreds of millions of people killed over the centuries.
Islam: Tens of millions murdered over the centuries, millions murdered over the past 50 years.
Judaism: Millions killed over the centuries, thousands of people killed by the Iraqi military over the past several decades.
Religious cults: Thousands killed in suicide packs, murders, etc.
In other words, shut the fuck up.
1/15/2009 11:25:04 PM
So if communism and athiesm are interchangeable can we blame every single atrocity comitted by a government that allowed religion on religion?
1/15/2009 11:32:50 PM
They always seem to forget about the, arguably, most effective genocide in history. The virtual extinction of Native Americans by Christian Europeans.
They didn't even bother counting but it exceeded twenty million and could have been well over a hundred million.
1/15/2009 11:35:53 PM
Yes, because Pope John Paul II, Anita Bryant and Pat Robertson are the only Christians that have ever existed, right?
1/15/2009 11:41:23 PM
This is a really old debunked argument. Furthermore, if we point to Christians who were also mass murderers, you'll conveniently say that they weren't True Christians(TM).
Intellectual honesty has never been a fundie strong point.
1/15/2009 11:47:28 PM
cue satan vs god death toll graph.
1/15/2009 11:49:54 PM
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