[Is it a sin to drink wine several times a week?]
Yeah, it's only a sin to get drunk. Drinking a little is fine. Islam is the one that forbids touching alcohol at all. Although they don't seem to have much of a problem with crack, steroids, etc...
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First, many conservative protestants have condemned the drinking of alcohol outright. Not even a little is ok. Second, Muslims, if they're honest with their faith, don't touch anything we would consider a drug. Fatwas against drug use have been issued against pretty much all of them, even down to tobacco. But this is RR, so I don't actually expect them to have done any real research.
Isn't this a rather enormous generalisation?
Do you, perchance, know every Muslim in the owrld to be able to make such an assertion?
I you stopped to think, assuming you have the capacity to do so (I mean think), you would realise that your generalisation is equally valid when applied to Christians and Jews - insofar as one can ever call such valid in any sense.
too true it's a sin to get drunk:
1 your son may see you uncovered in your drunkeness, and you'll have to curse him and make him the family slave
2 your daughters may get you drunk, and have sex with you (some fundies will like this)
so getting drunk is a BAD thing
You are an ignorant asshole, just like the Islamic fundies. Their rules also state it's public drunkeness, not wine itself, but those morons, like you, take it to extremes.
Crack and steroids? You mean Like Rev. Ted Haggard?
All intoxicating substances are haram in Islam, idiot. Fatwas have been issued against most kinds of drugs.
Do some fucking research and maybe you won't look like a complete dunce when you post on the Internet.
Were steroid abuse possible when the Koran was being written? No, didn't think so.
On a non fundie-bashing note, I think that Islam is against substances that could cause you to become intoxicated- hence why caffeine is ok, even though it could be considered to alter the mind.
King Fahd of Saudi Arabia, the "Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques", was a notorious drunk, very fond of his Jack Daniels apparently.
And the Ottoman Empire actually had a Sultan (also Caliph of Islam) called "Selim the Sot".
It appears that Islamic prohibition works like any other prohibition: not at all.
Addendum:
It's nice to see, in print, how they resile from the "word" when they disagree with it.
From what I've read, there was serious debate in Islam about coffee before it was accepted since it can be considered a mind-altering drug. Certainly the Bedouin coffee I tried was WMD-strength, and kept you wired for days.
But qat is a public health menace in Yemen, for example--everyone does it--so these prohibitions don't always work. Well, duh.
Islam does allow the drinking of alcohol, if there is no other potable liquid available and the alternative is risk of death (by thirst, for example). It seems like a pretty narrow line to me, given that alcohol can increase the risk of dehydration, but it's difficult to imagine a situation where somebody would rather be dead than tipsy.
Prepare your irony meters. Alcohol is an Arabic word, yet most Arab nations have had prohibitions for years, for religious reasons, of course. And many Christians won't touch it, either. Mormons definately won't, and I think Quakers don't either, for starters.
@Freboy
Actually there's a comment on here...Bro. Randy, I believe, trying to reconcile that with his teetotaler mentality. Said that since it was so fresh and new, it must have simply been grape juice, or some such a thing.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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