Quote# 56210

Old Earther:
How is unending torment in the best interest of a human being?

David Taylor:
This question implies that the alternative to unending torment, (Universalism or Annihilationism) is in the best interest of a human being over the concept of unending torment.

David Taylor, http://bibleforums.org 50 Comments [1/10/2009 7:04:55 PM]
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I lol'd

1/10/2009 7:25:57 PM


I´m sure that annihilation is better than eternal torment (maybe with the exception of extreme masochists, of course, who might actually like the concept of eternal torment ;) )

1/10/2009 7:26:21 PM


And eternal punishment for finite "sins" against a god who might (or might not) exist, and might (or might not) care, is in the best interest of humans... how?

1/10/2009 7:33:58 PM


...I'm pretty sure Universalism and Annihilationism are NOT equivalent. In fact, the former sounds like apocatastasis—pretty much the polar opposite of annihilation and eternal perdition.

1/10/2009 7:35:36 PM



1/10/2009 7:40:08 PM


Being annihilated is certainly a better option.

1/10/2009 7:47:49 PM


Where did your parents go wrong in raising you? Seriously, unending torment is in the best interest of humans? I-I...I just don't know what the fuck is wrong with you.

1/10/2009 7:58:42 PM


Translation: I'm scared shitless of death, so much so that I'd rather be tormented endlessly than be dead.

1/10/2009 7:58:58 PM

Old Viking

"Please listen. In response to your question I am going to say some words. They do not answer your question. In fact, they make little if any sense. But I'm going to say them anyway."

1/10/2009 7:59:34 PM


I'm missing something. How does the question imply anything of the sort? And even if it did, how would that answer the question anyway?

1/10/2009 8:00:44 PM


Nice dodge, kid. Are you a politican?

1/10/2009 8:15:07 PM


I'd rather my existence be obliterated than live for eternity being tormented. I'd even rather my existence be obliterated than live for eternity in heaven. Do you know how long eternity is? It's FOREVER! Who the fuck wants that? I know I sure don't.

1/10/2009 8:15:32 PM


Well...Now we know were all the KZ and death camp guards come from! With an attitude like yours, you'd fit right in!

1/10/2009 8:18:03 PM


Growth is in the best interest of human beings, naturally. It does not serve to be stunted by superstitions and crippled with fear.

IOW, take your impotent threat of eternal torment and cram it, loser.

1/10/2009 8:27:21 PM


It would be of immense value to the discussion if David used logic and reason.

1/10/2009 8:31:56 PM


While I'd prefer eternal torment to not existing (which seems to me an even worse torment), that doesn't mean that hell is beneficial.

I plan on living as long as possible though, so hopefully I won't have to worry about this for a few million years or so.

1/10/2009 8:32:13 PM

False Trichotomy?

1/10/2009 8:38:06 PM


Wurdulac said it all.

1/10/2009 8:39:37 PM

No, it doesn't imply that at all. Why don't you just answer the question as asked?

1/10/2009 8:49:03 PM


Universalism is the philosophy which proposes that mankind should do what benefits the most while doing the least amount of harm. There is no such thing as "annihilationism", but there is "nihilism", which is the ultimate expression of cynicism; it states that no matter what a person does, it is useless in the end. Both are better alternatives to unending torment, and you have yet to answer the question.

1/10/2009 8:53:59 PM


Eh, he's just pissy at the thought because it'd mean no Heaven for him.

1/10/2009 8:55:32 PM

Mister Spak

This answer implies that David Taylor has just realized that his opinion is indefensible.

1/10/2009 10:31:40 PM


...how exactly is that an answer?

1/10/2009 10:31:58 PM


In other words, if A and B are alternatives:
Q: "How is A the best choice?"
A: "This question implies that B is the best choice."

1/10/2009 10:36:30 PM


eh? Wut is u smoken?

1/10/2009 10:53:06 PM

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