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How can atheist be standing up for the rights of anyone with a belief in a God when they do things such as they did in Washington State by placing a sign that read "At this season of the winter solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but a myth and superstition that hardens and enslaves minds." Despite the fact this was public property why did they have to place that sign next to a nativity scene, and at this time of year? Would they have placed a sign like that in front of a mosque during Ramadan? Would they have placed that sign at a synagogue next to a Menorah? I would certainly hope not.
If you think that atheists are not singling out Christians, you had better read what they have to say about themselves; do they mention any other group other than Christans? The answer is no.
I wish others would speak up against removing God from whatever the atheists wish God to be removed from.

Candace Clark, Christian Political View 44 Comments [1/16/2009 7:15:33 AM]
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BreeStar

Right, because all public property in America belongs to the Christians alone. *rolls eyes*

1/16/2009 7:19:25 AM

Funnyguts

That's why the correct solution is to not have any religious beliefs honored on public, church & state- separated, property. Just put up Santa, he's cool.

1/16/2009 7:20:09 AM

IndelibleSorrow

If you assholes stopped trying to enforce your rules into our personal lives, and the government, maybe then we'd lay off a little.

1/16/2009 7:35:31 AM

Dark_Lord_Prime

"Would they have placed a sign like that in front of a mosque during Ramadan? Would they have placed that sign at a synagogue next to a Menorah?"

No, and they didn't place it outside a church next to a cross.

They placed it on public property, beside the nativity that Christians placed on public property.

1/16/2009 8:00:07 AM

Ladnil

You're right, we wouldn't put up any sign at a mosque or a synagogue, but you forgot to mention that we also wouldn't put it at a church either. Slight fault in your logic there, dipshit.

1/16/2009 8:00:30 AM

Eden

Well, how can christians stand up for the rights of anyone not christian when they do such things like protesting gay parades, holding up signs that claim that this and this bible passage declares homosexuality to be an abomination?

1/16/2009 8:12:36 AM

ArmandT

Why is there a nativity scene in a public place?

1/16/2009 8:20:27 AM

Phedippedes

To be honest...the writer has a point. (Western) Atheists and Agnostics do seem to focus a lot more on Christianity and seem to ignore or downplay the dangers and stupidity of other religions (Hinduism, Islam, Judaism).

I can understand where this is coming from: a US non-believer gets a lot more crap from Christians but a balanced view it ain't.

1/16/2009 8:39:25 AM

Pule Thamex

Not very robust is it, your religion. Here's a few more facts for you:-

There is no god and it definitely does not exist.
The bible contains errors and is inconsistent.
There is no heaven and there is no hell.
There are no angels, demons and devils or satan.
The bible is immoral and unethical.
The bible is no use as a guide to anything.
The bible is a XXX tome.
Religions are vast edifices of monstrous evil.
Prayers and praying are completely ineffectual.
Religions contain massive reserves of stupidity.
Religions are huge repositories of cant and dogma.
Religion and hypocrisy are forever hopelessly entwined.
Fundamental Christianity is not a lover of humanity and is inhumane.
Christian fundamentalists display a remarkable degree of hatred and bigotry that they are unconcerned about trying to hide.
Christian fundamentalists have no tolerance of others outside of their cults.
Christian fundamentalists have neither liking, nor, indeed, a penchant, for logic, common-sense or factual evidence.

Love ya, Pule.

1/16/2009 8:53:11 AM

Thinking Allowed

As you know, the atheist sign was placed near a nativity...in the Washington capitol building. Not as some church or a private front yard. Big difference there.

1/16/2009 9:01:44 AM

Darn

Oh my, we are feeling special again, aren't we?
It must be so nice to have a persecution complex.

1/16/2009 9:17:30 AM

Jasper Spotty-Butt

@ Phedippedes

Go and talk to the fundies about balance, they are hardly paragons of tolerance. Atheists, specially on FSTDT are just responding to mainly Christian fundamentalist cant, hypocrisy, hatred and bigotry. Sure we have a bit of fun along the way. We need it, it's too depressing dealing with these humourless sociopaths otherwise.

Particularly in view of the fact that they worm they way in to positions of power and inluence, thereby attempting to bring the rest of society down to their miserable level.

Christian fundamentalism is a destroyer of society and is inhumane. They worship stupidity and consider it a badge of honour to be uneducated. Logic and reason flies out the window with them.

Obviously, we criticise other religions when we are given cause to. Hey buddy, the clue's is our designation as 'atheists'.

The 'writer' in this instance is indulging in pure shenanigans as is usual for a fundie and is quite rightly shown up for it. It is typical practice for a fundie to engage in lies and deception when they're not the recipient of it themselves from their pastors and leaders. Distortion, cant, lies and twisting of the facts seem to be everyday tools for the fundie.

1/16/2009 9:18:23 AM

Nowonmai

Because those atheists believe in the 2nd amendment, and your right to worship as YOU see fit for yourself.

Public Property isn't "Christian" property. You don't like that, tough kahoogies. Set up your nativity scene in your own PRIVATE PROPERTY.

You just can't wrap your head around that, can you?

1/16/2009 9:18:34 AM

Ostravan

Christianity has been turned into a sick joke.
Get use to the abuse, because you thoroughly deserve it.

1/16/2009 9:42:15 AM

a mind far far away

Atheists don't "single out" xtians, they are just the most readily available here. Other groups get targeted too. And if your god is so pissed that we're taking him out of stuff, why doesn't he come down here and do something about it? Or is he just a shit-eating pussy?

1/16/2009 10:23:18 AM

Wild72

The reason Atheists focus on you is because your religion is the only one picking on THEM!

1/16/2009 10:39:21 AM

IanC

How can atheist be standing up for the rights of anyone with a belief in a God when they do things such as they did in Washington State by placing a sign that read "At this season of the winter solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but a myth and superstition that hardens and enslaves minds."

Because not every atheist was involved in doing that, maybe?

1/16/2009 10:56:55 AM

somegreencat

I love how people of the christian religion act as if they are the only ones being picked on. Let us look at some number, actually just doing this from memory so the numbers may be a little off. About 75% of Americans call themselves christians and around 16% say they are non religious. the other religions such as islam and hinduism are less then 2 or 3% of the population. Now why would we have reason to bring up these minor religions in the USA since they tend to keep a low profile here. When they do act like christians they are called out by atheist but it is rare that there is a reason for it.

1/16/2009 11:03:20 AM

Joe-Bob

Minor legal problem here. The sign was placed on public property. That's cool. Placing it on a mosque, which is not public property...that's not cool. Ok? Do we understand the difference?

1/16/2009 12:15:17 PM

Mister Spak

"Despite the fact this was public property why did they have to place that sign next to a nativity scene, and at this time of year?"

Despite the fact that this was public property why did you put a nativity scene there?

1/16/2009 12:40:36 PM

Percy Q. Shun

Poor, persecuted xtians.

Fuck you. The more you complain, the better I feel.

1/16/2009 12:47:02 PM

Katsuro

Phedippedes:

Do you think that might be because in the west the main religion, and also therefore the loudest, is Christianity? And the only one that permiates into American politics is, again, Christianity?


1/16/2009 1:08:21 PM

Illuminatalie

Would they have placed a sign like that in front of a mosque during Ramadan? Would they have placed that sign at a synagogue next to a Menorah?
I find the whole bit about fighting signs with other signs to be tiresome. Because some fundy moron is childish, you have to match their childishness? What exactly are these signs supposed to accomplish? I post on this board to blow off steam, but really I do not think it will change a single religious person's mind, ever, because people don't work like that. All these signs really do is reinforce differences and cause the intended target to dig their heels in deeper. I would support banning religious signs, at least, the ones that can be justly accused of promoting hate.

Just like the vapid movie 'religulous'. It tried to make me hate all religion, and it succeeded in making me hate Bill Maher. (Though the section with Jesus from Puerta Rico was comical I admit).

1/16/2009 1:16:48 PM

Jaces Ci

so typical. You complain because of a couple of atheistic signs, yet christians get over a month of free advertising for their holiday. No one ever says "Happy Hannukah" to the Jews. During Ramadan, no one gives the Muslims special attention. Most people do not understand the tradition of the winter solstice. Yet almost everyone in the first world knows the Christmas story. This is why you are singled out. This is why atheists protest the nativity scene on public property. Because it is disrespectful and offensive to assume that everyone is a christian and to act as though Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Pagans, Wiccans, Jedis, Pastafarians etc dont exist. Until you understand this, you will never understand why others do not 'stand up' for the 'removal of God' from the grounds of a secular society. If your nativity stands, then so does our sign.

1/16/2009 2:27:57 PM

Phedippedes

Jasper Spotty-Butt: "..Go and talk to the fundies about balance" I really should have stopped reading your post after such a blatant eo-quoque (I can't calle it a tu-quoque)...


"The reason Atheists focus on you is because your religion is the only one picking on THEM!"

You have gotta be kidding me.

@ Katsuro "Do you think that might be because in the west the main religion, " Sure. I think I even alluded to that.

"And the only one that permiates into American politics is, again, Christianity?" I wouldn't say that. Islam's influence on Western (and US) politics and policy is pretty obvious too.

But aside all that - I still feel certain slant amongst some of my fellow atheist / agnostics to judge Christian fundies a bit more harshly than they do fundies of another kind.

Add to that this in their criticism of each other fundies do get it right a lot of the time. Something isn't 'fundy' just because a fundy says it.

1/16/2009 2:28:12 PM
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