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[In a debate concerning morality and moral absolutes, this fundie was told about the Etoro tribe of Papua New Guinea, who practise ritual homosexuality between boys and young men of the tribe. Her response?]

The people in that tribe have had their innate moral sense short-circuited by their history and lifestyle.

Not knowing how this practice arose, I can't say too much more.

They are living a primitive, animal-like lifestyle, and as Created human beings they can be better than that. Why should they not be educated and taught the right way to live? I'm upset with the politically correct people who say we ought to leave them in this destructive lifestyle just because.

What they're doing is objectively wrong, and they ought not do it.

EternallyAlive, CVAtheists.org 31 Comments [1/24/2009 9:35:35 PM]
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Damen

You're not qualified to decide which society's customs are right and which are wrong, you arrogant twit.

1/24/2009 9:43:03 PM

GreenEyedLilo

But, you know, we all need to live by *your* "traditional family values" here in the USA, right?

1/24/2009 9:46:49 PM

aaa

I, however don't give a shit. It's a small tribe in a shithole, doing their own thing. Do you really have to be that invasive?

1/24/2009 9:49:19 PM

DevilsChaplain

As far as rituals go, this isn't NEARLY as bad as eating human brains which leads to kuru, or female genital mutilation, or ripping human hearts out of people's chest cavities to make the Sun rise. So, I say leave 'em the fuck alone.

1/24/2009 9:54:04 PM

a mind far far away

Not knowing how this practice arose, I can't say too much more

You shouldn't have said what you did in the first place, since you have no knowledge of anything.

They are living a primitive, animal-like lifestyle

All peoples arose from such things, including you.

and as Created human beings they can be better than that

Who says they're worse? Who are you to judge their life?

Why should they not be educated and taught the right way to live?

Who says the way you live is right? Most people would say that you have a wrong attitude toward life.

What they're doing is objectively wrong

How so? There's no objective proof that you are right.

1/24/2009 9:57:21 PM

Disreg

You call yourself a conservative but you want to wash away traditional societies around the world and replace them with your own morality?

If your way of life is so natural, why does the West have a negative birthrate?

1/24/2009 9:59:46 PM

Efrain

Didn't they have something like that in the roman empire? The one that kicked all kinds of ass until Xianity came around?

1/24/2009 10:00:42 PM

IanC

Im amazed s/he didn't use this tribes custom as proof of the whole gay=pedophile thing...

1/24/2009 10:02:29 PM

wackadoodle

Wheres that one tribe that sows hundreds of the most painful ants on earth into a glove and makes boys where it 20 times for 30 minutes to become men? I'm sure they wish all they had to do was alittle buttseckz.

1/24/2009 10:07:23 PM

atheist crusader

im just bloody suprised they've not blamed it on us evilution worshiping atheists, on a "MISSION" to promote gay sex to these remote tribes before christains could get to them, especially as they reckon that these people are living "animal like" lifestyles!!!!!

1/24/2009 10:14:13 PM

Illuminatalie

The people in that tribe have had their innate moral sense short-circuited by their history and lifestyle.
Living that crazy tribal lifestyle, it can drive you insane oo wah.

Why should they not be educated and taught the right way to live?
Take the fucking log out of your own eye.

1/24/2009 10:20:58 PM

Evil Pirate Captain Mel

"They are living a primitive, animal-like lifestyle"

Uh, you guys worship a primitive god.


"Why should they not be educated and taught the right way to live?"

You people live in willful ignorance and you ruin your children's lives by homeschooling them and feeding them a barrage of biblical bullshit. I don't think you have room to talk.

1/24/2009 10:38:35 PM

Zoo

Not that I actually have to ask, but on what basis is morality absolutely absolute, as in, what is it that determines which morals are "correct", and what is it that makes YOUR set of "morals" (which really seem like a large number of arbitrary rules that contradicts your book's greatest commandment [which it points out itself]) the correct one for the entire planet?

1/24/2009 10:44:54 PM



Yeah people who live in backwards third world countries do some fucked up shit. Doesn't have a damn thing to do with sin or god or any of that stuff, though.

1/24/2009 11:10:17 PM



This isn't fundie by itself. She could just as easily be referring to the pedophilia part.

1/24/2009 11:40:37 PM

WMDKitty

Christianity is objectively wrong, and they ought not do it.

1/24/2009 11:52:22 PM

BrightStars

Objectively?
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

1/24/2009 11:57:14 PM

Tomby Stone

I am right, not knowing anything about the issue I can't explain why I'm right but I can assure you I'm right.

1/24/2009 11:58:19 PM

Old Viking

There has never been an instance of Christian missionaries inflicting themselves on indigenous peoples in which they didn't leave the group far worse off.

1/25/2009 12:07:19 AM

fundiesRtehlulz

If they're acting like animals because their society has been untouched by religion, then that just goes to show that we do indeed have our origins in the wild. Not from your god who made us civilized from dirt and ribs.

1/25/2009 12:27:12 AM

Matt

This is no fundie comment. Moral relativism is a contested subject with which rational people may disagree. One of my issues with strict moral relativists is that they may come to a moral conclusion based on reason or empiricism but if someone from a different culture disagrees with the conclusion of the logic, based upon faith or tradition, their opinion is of equal validity.(It is not) This may be a fundamentalist speaking but certainly not an exclusively fundamentalist comment. You get a meh.

1/25/2009 1:17:09 AM

Pule Thamex

It's as impossible to erase homosexuality as it is impossible to prove the existence of God.

If some men like anal sex with each other and some women like licking each others pussy, it's not hurting you is it?

Love ya, Pule.

1/25/2009 2:28:00 AM

DCoke

Objectively wrong? You lose.

1/25/2009 4:06:36 AM

Fdragon

A perfect example of a cultural suprimist. it is not her culture so it is inherntally wrong.

1/25/2009 4:50:44 AM

Canadiest

"Not knowing how this practice arose, I can't say too much more."

Catholic missionaries?


1/25/2009 1:45:48 PM
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