For those who believe in Evolution as opposed to God?
Do you explain the miracle of what happened yesterday (The plane crashing into the Hudson River) an act of God or an act of Science? You want your miracles, well this is one. How do you explain it?
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"For those who believe in Evolution as opposed to God?"
False Dichotomy = Epic Fail
Do you explain the miracle of what happened yesterday (The plane crashing into the Hudson River) an act of God or an act of Science?"
It was an act of a damn good pilot, that's what it was, so STFU.
Show me an airplane your god built.
Show me safety features designed on Biblical principles.
Point out decades worth of trial-and-error improvements made by a religion proud of clinging to the past.
Get on your imaginary holy jetliner, held in the air not by aeronautics but by faith; fly with a pilot who's never actually been trained, but prays about it a lot.
Then tell me - if you still can - about miracles. It'll be a miracle if your pants aren't full.
Do you explain the miracle of what happened yesterday (The plane crashing into the Hudson River) an act of God or an act of Science?
It was thanks to great French engineering and great piloting.
A miracle would have been if the plane, after the flameout, continued to ascend, fly to the nearest airport and land as normal without the two engines working. THAT would have been a miracle, this was not.
Well, Jen. If you were not among the most stupid posters at Y!, no mean feat in itself, you would have read the articles about how the plane was designed to survive such mishaps and the pilots train extensively for such mishaps.
No miracles are necessary when humans use their brains to the fullest. Now, how do you explain the miracle that allows a retard like yourself to manipulate a keyboard? There sure as Hell ain't any intelligence involved.
If a plane crash is considered a miracle, then I'm not impressed. Also, why did god either make the birds collide with the aeroplane or at least looked the other way as the birds were in its way? And if the fact that all the passengers survived was due to god, then does that mean the pilot did not have free will? And why doesn't god care about people who die from starvation, war and AIDS?
An extraordinarily skilled pilot, years of training for the flight crew, the ferry operators, and the first responders, and a lot of things going right for once.
Personally I think the better "miracle" is that your imaginary cloud guy threw those geese and hit both engines at the same time, just so he could have people like you spout about his greatness in allowing an excellant pilot do what he was trained to do.
(obvious sarcasm is obvious , I hope)
See, this is one of the reasons religion pisses me off. This pilot performed something absolutely amazing and saved the lives of several hundred people, and the theists say, "Oh, it was just god. The pilot didnt have anything to do with it." Give the guy some fucking credit.
The fundies have connected evolution to abiogenesis, cosmology, astronomy, thermodynamics and now aerodynamics.
That pilot (Sully Something [his last name escapes me]) should never have to buy a drink in NYC ever again. What he did was one exceptional feat of skill. As for the OP, it all depends. Maybe the miracle came in the form of the pilot. To the atheists on board, it was something else. It all depends on what you define as "miracle."
There was no deity involved. It was the pilot's cross-circuiting to 'B' that saved them. Now, if you decided that you weren't the genius you originally considered yourself, and spent a few years learning science, history, etc, and came to an understanding of the basics of evolution - THAT would be a miracle!
Some folks, like Jen, use the word "miracle" when other Christians would use the word "providence" or "gift from God." If I prayed for God to help me get a job and I got one, that would not technically be a "miracle" because my finding a job is an occurence that is in accordance with the rules of the natural world.
A "miracle" is this case would be if the plane crashed into solid ground at full speed and not one person were killed or injured. That would qualify as "miraculous!"
Pilot competance.
There. Explained.
"For those who believe in Evolution as opposed to God? "
evolution does not directly oppose god.
"Do you explain the miracle of what happened yesterday (The plane crashing into the Hudson River) an act of God or an act of Science? "
How do you explain your god ''allowing'' birds to fly into the engines and destroy them?
"You want your miracles, well this is one. How do you explain it?"
This is no miracle, it's proof that we texans are bad mother fuckers, and get shit done.
@misterchipotle,
He's actually from Cali.
With war, famine and social injustice rampant around the globe, why did God choose this particular incident to meddle in? God didn't design or manufacture that airliner, nor did he train one helluva skilled, cool pilot.
Dumbass. As the other commentors have mentioned, it's the pilot's training that saved the passengers. Give credit where credit is due.
Now, science explains everything. god, nothing. I don't know how to explain it because I have no clue into the subject of aerodynamics, but seeing how there is an explanation for everything through science (even if we haven't discovered it yet), I'm placing my bets on it.
P.S: Stupid people should not be allowed to have the name Jen. *yanks name away*
Majority of passengers = fundie
Act of god saved them
Majority of passengers = athiest/other
Satan/Demons did it
God gave them a second chance
It's a government conspiracy set up by Barack Osama to worsen the country
etc etc etfuckingc
Tell me Jen, do you know the beliefs of the people on the plane?
Also, can you please send a memo to God for me
"To God
Please save all planes, not just one
Thanks"
edit: Anyone know if the pilot was christian?
1. What's that got to do with evolution?
2. An understanding of the physical laws on which aviation is based would, in fact, reveal it as an act of science.
3. That Cpt. Sully guy still rocks.
I gotta agree with jc right here. Sully is the fuckin' man! god didn't make no pilots, he made the geese that were sucked into the engines and put all of those passengers in danger in the first place! of course, the idea of god and religion has created a problem and a "solution" for all of us nasty sinners.
Explain why some planes crash and everyone on board dies. Was your god not paying attention to them? Was your god out of miracles? Maybe your god is just capricious as hell.
Or maybe we are safer putting our trust in good pilots than your god! By the same token, we are better off putting our trust in science than your bible.
Because of a pilot, whom I shall describe in the words of Little John from the Mel Gibson version of Robin Hood:
"You've got balls of solid rock."
How do you explain it?
As others already said, a very well trained, experienced and talented pilot (and crew) in combination with a plane that has been designed with technology developed and improved over generations of air plane models, a kind of “evolution” if you will.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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