supajimson #fundie

supajimson #fundie bbc.co.uk

"the finding of noahs ark in the mountain range of arrarat is so well documented and researched that you would have to be blind and completely dumb not to even wonder why it is there just as scripture says it is.It has had the full weight of scientists and engineers from around the globe giving it the once over.The Turkish people have declared it a national monument and you are invited any time you like to go and see it.The anchor stones alone tell the story of its epic journey as well as scripture."

[Upon being asked to name the scientists he responds with]

ok,Dave,Jerry,peter,samuel,harry.oswald,tim,Barry Peter and james.

[Another poster then explains that he cannot name any scientists to which he responds with]

"hands up,its a fair cop guv

allthough you need to do your own research to prove that the Ark in question is not the ark,the proof that it is the ark has allready been established as i said.If you want to investigate the real scientific evidence used to identify the vessel yourself you are free to do so as the evidence is in the public domain."

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old comment by Giveitaday

the finding of noahs ark in the mountain range of arrarat is so well documented and researched

No, it hasn't. And Ararat isn't a range of mountains it's a single mountain. Every good lie includes at least a grain of truth, you would do well to learn that.

has had the full weight of scientists and engineers from around the globe giving it the once over

No it doesn't, it has mere handful fuzzy photos and a whole shit ton of speculation and conjecture.

The Turkish people have declared it a national monument

No they haven't. Every good liar knows not to put forth facts that can be easily checked out. If you are intent on Lying for Jesus(TM) then you need to learn those rules.

you are invited any time you like to go and see it

In fact it's just the opposite, access to Mt. Ararat is quite restricted and the area of the Ararat Anomaly is not easily accessible.

allthough you need to do your own research to prove that the Ark in question is not the ark,the proof that it is the ark has allready been established as i said.If you want to investigate the real scientific evidence used to identify the vessel yourself you are free to do so as the evidence is in the public domain."

I have, and unlike you I can cite sources, names, date, research papers, etc. when asked for specifics, rtather than your tactic of rattling of a short list of first names. All availible scientific and exploratory information availible on the subject contradicts every single claim you made, Your nothing but a liar, and a bad one at that. If this is the best Lying for Jesus(TM) that you can pull off the I think your "god" is going to be quite irate with you.

old comment by Kristy

The issue was argued in Australian courts. Speaking of Roberts' claims to have found Noah's Ark, Professor Plimer, geologist at the University of Melbourne said: "Creation science is synonymous with fraud, theft and lies.

In 1992 a Christian elder, Dr Allen Roberts, claimed he did research at the site of Noah's Ark in Turkey. He raised funds at public meetings where, "hired goons with truncheons" tried to remove Professor Plimer and other scientists.

Professor Plimer spent $320,000 during 4 years preparing to take Roberts to court for "misleading and deceptive conduct" under the Australian Trade Practices Act.

According to testimony the "petrified animal dung" at the supposed site of Noah's Ark are really spherical boulders common to the area; "drogue stones" (anchor stones) are simply boulders; and "slag" from a supposed smelting process are lumps of basalt.

In June the judge found that although Dr. Roberts was not technically in breach of the Act, he had, indeed, made "false and deceptive claims" including his false assertion that he had personally carried out scientific tests. In other words - he lied.

Plimer wrote a book about the whole thing called "Telling Lies for God" available on Amazon.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

Every shipwright in the world - certainly those well-versed in maritime history - will be able to uttely annihilate yours, and every Bible literalist's, argument, supajimson:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world%27s_largest_wooden_ships

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Dunderberg

A.k.a. Rochambeau. It sailed only once (for delivery to it's new owners; it never sailed in open waters again). in 1871.

Riddle me this, supajimson: If the Rochambeau was the biggest - and most recent wooden-constructed ship of modern times (considered so unseaworthy, even though it used metal to reinforce said wooden construction, it never sailed again), then how could something designed to hold at least two of every species that exists today - that by definition would have to be far larger than the Jahre Viking, the biggest ocean-going vessel built to date (all metal-constructed hull, natch), possibly survive even being launched, never mind float for 40 days & nights without sinking?

And to my knowledge, and reading the Bible, there's absolutely no mention of your 'God' intervening to the end of keeping said 'Ark' seaworthy (remember: if it's not mentioned in the Biblle, the literal 'Word of God', it never happened. Period.. The concept of 'Structural Integrity Fields' didn't exist until Gene Roddenberry created "Star Trek" in the mid-late 60s. And there's absolutely no mention in the Bible of Noah being a Gallifreyan Time Lord, whose TARDIS looked like a wooden ship (because like The Doctor's, it's Chameleon Circuit had stuck in one specific appearance; his being a Police Box). Nor was said 'Ark' a DNA repository/archive-cum-terraforming ship (the eponymous vessel in Don Bluth's Sci-Fi animated film "Titan AE"), nor a terraforming/transforming mecha-cum-population transporting ship (the 'Deucalion' in the Sci-Fi anime series "Kiddy Grade").

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So, going by Occam's Razor, the only possible alternative is this: the Ark never existed. Thus the 'Flood' never happened. Therefore the Bible is a load of fictional bollocks that doesn't even have the right to be considered credible fiction, never mind the basis of an entire religious doctrine - and an insane 'belief' system - that has suckered the likes of you, supajimson. Ergo, Atheism. QED.

@drumbo

'the finding of noahs ark in the mountain range of arrarat is so well documented'

"I'd like to see some then.

Thanks"

The Chinese - as in Ancient (whose civilisation existed during the supposed Biblical 'Flood') were sticklers for keeping detailed records, natch. Not so much as a single mention of a cataclysmic, nation-destroying 'Flood' in all it's recorded history.

Kinda annihilates what the so-called literal 'Word of God' Bible says eh, supajimson & every Bible Literalist fundie?

...and you're welcome, drumbo. b^_^d (Your friendly neighbourhood dogma-destroyer-in-residence)