Samir Abu Hamza, The Telegraph

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Self-styled cleric Samir Abu Hamza, who runs the Islamic Information and Services Network of Australasia in Melbourne, advised a male audience in Sydney in 2003 that they could force their wives to have sex and beat them if they were "disobedient".

In a lecture titled "The Keys to a Successful Marriage", which has since been posted on the internet and viewed thousands of times, Mr Hamza said men could beat their wives, "to shape them up", but should try not to draw blood or bruise them.

He also said women "must respond" if their husbands wanted to have sex, and ridiculed laws that prohibit rape within marriage.

"In this country if the husband wants to sleep with his wife and she does not want to and she hasn't got a sickness or whatever, there is nothing wrong with her she just does not feel like it, and he ends up sleeping with her by force ... it is known to be as rape," Mr Hamza said.

"Amazing, how can a person rape his wife?"

Samir Abu Hamza, The Telegraph 44 Comments [1/29/2009 9:13:52 PM]
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#874522

Nihlum

by her not consenting, simple huh?

1/29/2009 9:15:18 PM

#874530

Psittacosis

Is this twat any relation to the Abu Hamza who preached at Finsbury Park mosque in London?

1/29/2009 9:17:46 PM

#874531

aaa

You really have a deviant mind. And this is the mildest thing i will say.

1/29/2009 9:17:59 PM

#874532

????

This is just moronic. That's all I can say.

1/29/2009 9:19:27 PM

#874540

Mister Spak

Samir Hanza, meet Lorena Bobbit . . .

1/29/2009 9:21:32 PM

#874553

Natalie

It comforts me to know that most of the people you know....hate you.

1/29/2009 9:27:30 PM

#874559

Doctor Whom

"In this country if the husband wants to sleep with his wife and she does not want to and she hasn't got a sickness or whatever, there is nothing wrong with her she just does not feel like it, and he ends up sleeping with her by force ... it is known to be as rape," Mr Hamza said.

"Amazing, how can a person rape his wife?"

In the way that you described right before asking the question.

1/29/2009 9:29:18 PM

#874572

BobsOldSocks

"Amazing, how can a person rape his wife?"

The above comment presupposes that a man "owns" his wife and can do whatever he likes with his "property". I'm soooo very grateful that I wasn't born into your religion and brought up, like many Muslim boys, to hate my mother and sisters, to see women as lesser and inferior beings, "Mr" Hamza.

1/29/2009 9:35:15 PM

#874575

Kristy

To the credit of the Australian Islamic community, this guy - who has no credentials as an imam - has been roundly condemned as a 'lunatic'.

1/29/2009 9:35:48 PM

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1/29/2009 9:37:57 PM

#874582

Blackvoice

I think the dinamics are clear to you.

1/29/2009 9:42:46 PM

#874590

Bloom

And we don't think the Telegraph might be stirring up anti Muslim propoganda?

1/29/2009 9:47:50 PM

#874591

Professor M

Here we see the important destinction between Muslim and Christian fundamentalists:

The Muslim fundie here thinks that when men beat their wives they should try not to draw blood or bruise them. Other than that, they're identical.

1/29/2009 9:47:54 PM

#874593

Ken

If a woman wants to have sex and her husband does not, she has every right to cut off his penis and use it as a sex toy.

Would that be alright with you, Hamza?

1/29/2009 9:50:03 PM

#874602

"And we don't think the Telegraph might be stirring up anti Muslim propoganda?"

Right, because anything critical of the dear little peace-loving sweethearts must be "anti-Muslim propaganda".

1/29/2009 10:02:06 PM

#874604

Headache

I take it you look upon the poor woman as property and not as a partner. Explains why you are so infantile in your actions.

1/29/2009 10:02:34 PM

#874607

atrasicarius

1/29/2009 10:04:21 PM

#874614

WMDKitty

Rape within a marriage is *still* rape.

1/29/2009 10:11:09 PM

#874618

Saika

Just sick...

1/29/2009 10:14:17 PM

#874637

Xotan

Australia has already told Christian fundamentalists that they can either subscribe to the ethos of Australia or ship out. I have no fear then that Hamza will get much of a hearing.

1/29/2009 10:22:40 PM

#874665

whatthehell

haha there's two DIAF pic here. nice.

1/29/2009 10:31:14 PM

#874668

Mrs. Antichrist

Marrying someone does not give you ownership of their body, you sick fuck. How many times have you raped your wife?

1/29/2009 10:32:13 PM

#874735

Mat

This is disgraceful. But the guy is still allowed to preach.

@Xotan: Sadly, no. Imams can preach whatever they want, up to and including calling for another Holocaust. But not Christian preachers. Christians are (rightly) subject to anti-hate laws. But the authorities ignore Muslim preachers that violate those same laws.

For instance, Abu Hamza's sermon certainly counts as incitement to rape, thus making him an accessory to every rape committed by someone who uses his words to justify it. But he wasn't even reprimanded by his superiors, never mind arrested or even cautioned.

1/29/2009 10:58:26 PM

#874756

Painful

The problem is, although this guy is "extreme" just today I heard below me the muslim "man" yelling and screaming at his wife (probably physical too, but I can't say for sure.) Now, when we heard the mexican immigrants beating up on each other, the cops came and broke it up right away, but the police are so scared of getting a religious backlash here in america, this happens everyday without intervention. As an abuse survivor, it scares the shit out of me.

This guy isn't extreme, shit like this is going on over here in the "land of freedom" - unless you are a woman.

1/29/2009 11:09:14 PM

#874820

Imroy

Psittacosis: I doubt it. "Abu Hamza" is not a surname.

"Abu" means "father of". And "Hamza" is apparently "a letter in the Arabic alphabet, representing the glottal stop [?]". Perhaps he has a child named Hamza, or maybe it means something symbolic, I don't know.

His full name is Samir Mohtadi according to Wikipedia.

1/29/2009 11:39:59 PM

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