you little "Palestinian" devils! i wish you and your entire phony "Palestinian" people cancer! burn in hell you camel fucking-children molesting-terrorist bastards!
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Ah, "Palestinian" in quotes. Tell you what, chum, there may not have been such a thing as a Palestinian nation 60-odd years ago, but there sure as hell is now. Funnily enough, there was no such thing as an Israeli nation 60-odd years ago, either. These two facts are not unconnected.
"burn in hell you camel fucking-children molesting-terrorist bastards!"
Say that to Hamas' face, I dare you.
OK, I am fully aware that both sides have done and said some pretty fucked-up things over the last 61 years, but this is excessive over-reaction.
@Psittacosis: Learn your history. Israel was founded in 1948 - 61 years ago. Also, as a "nation" (as opposed to a State - significant difference), the Israelite people (aka the Jews) have been around for quite a long time indeed. Or else Israel wouldn't exist.
@Mat
the Israelite people (aka the Jews) have been around for quite a long time indeed. Or else Israel wouldn't exist.
I would say its got more to do with the general idiocy that followed WW2. The "Israelite" people claim to belong to a place by which logic we should kick every white person out of america and give it to the black (since they had no choice and therefore have no nation since slavery broke their identity) and native americans. The Israelite tribe "excuse" is extremely dumb and is akin to saying "we all came from steve, so we are a nation of steve!"
Genetically speaking they are not a tribe since they are so varied in their genomes. Their only single defining factor is that they were promised a "Manifest Destiny" and are doing exactly the same things as we saw during that period of history.
FMG is right.
The reason America and all other Western powers supported the "existence" of Israel is because they wanted a foothold in Mideast.
By that logic we Turks should give Anatolia back to Greeks and Invade China and Kazakhstan for our "ancestral" lands.
@ Mat: 61 is 60-odd, isn't it? And I'm half Jewish, and I ain't no Israeli, and neither is my Dad. Jews are not Israelis ... unless they live in Israel. And the way they carry on these days, I'm not all that sure Israelis are Jews, either.
And I agree with FMG and exMuslim Turk; Jews had no claim to Palestine. Zionism was a fucked up idea from the start; I can understand why Jews in Europe thought it would be a good idea, but I think they were wrong.
@FMG
Your counter arguments don't work. "we should kick every white person out of america and give it to the black (since they had no choice and therefore have no nation since slavery broke their identity) and native americans." That does not correspond with the Israeli-Palestinian situation. Saying that you'll create a new country in West Africa for all the blacks in America because they were brought to America against their will and need a nation might work as a better correlation. You cannot use the Native American argument either - Europeans did not colonize America because they were returning to their homeland. You cannot use an allegory that doesn't work.
There is no 'claim' about the Jewish-Israel connection. The very language Hebrew which was preserved in Jewish writings in Europe can be traced back to the very region which is now Israel, and the very term 'Semetic', as in 'anti-Semitism' refers to a groups of languages, Arabic among them, that developed in that region. Ancient forms of Hebrew have been found in the region. It is very clear that Israel is historically the Jewish homeland.
That being said, it is also undeniable that it is the Palestinian's homeland as well. Although there is no conclusive evidence that they stretched back as a people to ancient times, as many Palestinians have claimed, it is certainly abundantly clear that have at least lived in the region for several hundred years, if not more. It is their homeland, just as much as it is the homeland as the Jewish people.
Simplifying the conflict by saying that the Israelis had no right to the land whatsoever only serves to increase the conflict. Attempting to make the land only belong to one group over the other will only make the issue even more divisive than it already is. The reason this conflict has gone on for as long as it has and is as violent as it is is because it is very complicated and both sides truly do have a right to the land. There is no clear answer to which side is 'right' in their actions, but simplifying the situation and implying that one group has all right to the land and the others' claims are phony does not progress the issue whatsoever.
So if the English decide to migrate back to Saxony and Angeln, that'd be all right, would it? Tell you what, let's all go live in the Olduvai Gorge and make whoopee.
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