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My son is really starting to think for himself, which is good. But one of the things that I have a hard time addressing is when he says things like "The Jonas Brothers are Christians" because they say they are. I realize it's not for us to determine where people's hearts are, but when they sing secular, ungodly songs and tour with bands I would NEVER listen to, I have a hard time accepting it. Heck, even Oprah would tell you she's a Christian!!

He also told me that Barack Obama said he's a Christian, and I gave him the evidence of why I don't believe it, but he said "you're not perfect, and you're not God, so who are you to say who's a Christian and who's not?"

How should I answer him?

TotallySoldOut, Rapture Ready 103 Comments [1/29/2009 1:45:39 PM]
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Mister Spak

Independent thinking!!! OH NOES!!!!

1/29/2009 1:48:01 PM

dead yeti

you should be proud to have offspring who are smarter than you, and you should rejoice for i see the atheism will soon be strong in this one

1/29/2009 1:51:53 PM


How should I answer him?

Um, you just praised independent thought, and then followed it by asking other people to do your thinking for you. Aside from the hypocrisy fail, since your son didn't need to similarly ask for ready made thoughts he clearly intellectually outclasses you and you should admit defeat as graciously as you can manage. Since this is RR, however, I'd say the odds of you doing that are nil.

1/29/2009 1:56:16 PM


"How should i answer him?"

Try accepting that you've been pwned by a child.

1/29/2009 1:57:37 PM

Paschal Wagner

Heck, even Oprah would tell you she's a Christian!! He also told me that Barack Obama said he's a Christian

And they're black, so it should be obvious that they're not Christians!!

1/29/2009 2:07:11 PM

rubber chicken

Answer him by saying "You're right! I'm not perfect, nor am I God. I am ,in fact, a hypocritical, judgemental, control freak with a bizarre belief in a completely non- biblical 'get out' clause that says that I will not die. Thank you for opening my eyes. I will try to be a better human being from this day forth. Want some ice cream?"

1/29/2009 2:09:47 PM


LOL. You should be proud of him for being a truer Christian than you are.

1/29/2009 2:12:08 PM


I think the true Biblical response would be to take him outside the city walls get the elders of the city to stone him to death

Leviticus 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

1/29/2009 2:21:32 PM


He needs to get a better taste in music. Needs more rock.

1/29/2009 2:33:26 PM


Answer him with a good old fashioned stoning. That's the only thing that will make him see sense.

Shit, Lucretius beat me to it.

But it's nice to hear about one person who seems to be strong enough to resist the brainwashing. Maybe someday he'll post here.

1/29/2009 2:40:17 PM

You should say,
"Good point."

1/29/2009 2:44:55 PM


There's a reply in the thread that just might be the most lucid thing I have ever read on RR:

"What is the "acid test"?

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

I think you should learn from your child."

1/29/2009 2:45:04 PM


The Jonas Brothers?!!!

Slayer, Judas Priest, Metallica, Deicide, GWAR...

With all the fodder out there for fundies to blow a gasket on, you're ragging on some Tiger Beat boyband?

1/29/2009 2:48:38 PM


We seriously need to throw a parade for this kid overcoming a RR-fundie parent.

Well, as soon as the closet door with the scary Jesus shrine is unlocked and and he has "repented".

1/29/2009 2:49:07 PM

Tolpuddle Martyr

Your kid is starting to think for himself. He listens to bands you would never listen to, he disagrees with you and doesn’t think that you’re God. He's a frigging teenager, deal with it!

1/29/2009 2:50:50 PM


Sadly, her son is probably in his mid-30s. She won't let him move out until he's ready to marry a godly woman or something.

1/29/2009 2:54:07 PM

Philbert McAdamia

How should I answer him?

Wherefore hast thou not smote the heathen with stones already? Not the Rolling Stones.

Private Cowboy, why are you not stomping Private Fatbody's guts out of him?

1/29/2009 2:59:09 PM


You should immediately destroy his free thinking, because it will lead away from god...

From My Abba's Child
"The word "Christian" means like Christ. If they're not striving toward being like Christ, then obviously they're not Christians."

Irony award, HO!

1/29/2009 3:06:58 PM

Dan Onymous

I believe the answer you're looking for is, "Fair cop son. I was just talking out of my arse as usual."

1/29/2009 3:08:37 PM

Percy Q. Shun

Wait until you find his porn collection, and that crusty batch-rag!

1/29/2009 3:09:50 PM

I just posted this reply to the thread on RR. I guess I will be banned shortly...

"you're not perfect, and you're not God, so who are you to say who's a Christian and who's not?"

He's got a good point. Listen, unless you are teaching your children to think for themselves, and allowing them to question and discover the world around them you are setting them up to fail in life. If you just keep cramming bible verses down his throat every time he has a question about something you can bet he will reject you and your religious beliefs.

If you're worried about outside influences (you mentioned Disney channel etc.) then why dont you sit down and watch it together and have a discussion about different behaviours, the motivation of those behaviours etc and how your son feels about it. Shielding him from it is only going to make it that much more desirable to him.
He probably would appreciate having an honest and open talk with his mother, which is next to impossible with your nose stuck in the bible every time he asks a question.

P.S. who cares what religion Obama is?? Bush claimed to be of your faith, and in his 8 years as president nearly destroyed the entire country. He tanks the economy, starts two simultanious wars, robs certain Americans of their rights and freedoms, pisses off the entire world, and he gets a pass because he said he was a christian? You people are diseased.

Just thought I'd throw that in there before my account gets banned.

1/29/2009 3:13:56 PM


Haha, your little kid is smarter than you already ^_^

1/29/2009 3:22:00 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

"How should I answer him?"

Praise him for being far smarter than you and thank him for pointing out the truth.

1/29/2009 3:41:28 PM


Oh no, I have a critical-thinking son! What do I do?! Surely, you must know what your Bible says to do with a stubborn and rebellious child...? May I refer you to Deuteronomy 21:18-21. This is the only option left for you really. You still want to remain in God's favor, right?

1/29/2009 3:47:31 PM

Pule Thamex

Tell him that he should check peoples' political affiliations or views first before deciding whether or not they are Christian.

1/29/2009 3:56:48 PM

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