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Evolutionists, do you perceive all human beings as equals?
I’m sure you’ve heard people say that we are all created equal. But of course, you don’t like the idea of being created.

But anyways, are human beings all equals? I suppose most of you accept Social Darwinism, but doesn’t that create problems? When you think about it, the idea of evolution devalues human life. We have no real purpose, we’re just accidents. So now it’s survival of the fittest. When you think about it, these are the ideas behind terrible things like Nazism. The Nazis perceived disabled people as being worthless drains on society, so they killed them under agonizing conditions. Evolution also supports sterilization, when the government sterilized people because they were not considered worthy of reproducing. Evolution also makes abortion okay, and abortion is victimizing the weakest members of society.

My brother is autistic. I have a great deal of compassion for helpless or disabled people, and I believe that we are all equals. Do you see how the idea of evolution devalues human life? I am NOT an accident, and neither is my brother or anyone else considered to be inferior. We should all be treated like valuable human beings, even the helpless children in the womb, but society with the help of evolution has been teaching us that we’re really just meaningless creatures that can be easily removed.

Angel of Music, Yahoo Answers 54 Comments [1/29/2009 10:31:12 PM]
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Paschal Wagner

Thank you. I had no idea I had these opinions before you told me I did.


1/29/2009 10:33:13 PM


::facepalm:: Evolution does NOT equal social darwinism. How many times must we say this?

1/29/2009 10:36:25 PM

I'd typed out a big long answer to this, but fuck it, its easier to just call you an idiot.

1/29/2009 10:37:03 PM


Nope, Social Darwinism is bullshit. And not really related to evolution in any way. The rest of your argument depends on your incorrect assumptions about the beliefs arising from the Theory of Evolution, and is rendered moot.

1/29/2009 10:39:01 PM

A Friend

Godwin. Automatic loss. Go get hit by an 18 wheeler.

1/29/2009 10:45:40 PM

Moon Wolfhowl

So your brother's not an "accident"...Does that mean that your god purposely created a person that would have a much harder time than most when it comes to social interaction, making it nearly impossible for him to have a meaningful relationship with another person?

Standup guy, that Jehovah...

1/29/2009 10:46:37 PM


I think I'll start collecting nickels for every person who thinks that Evolution and Social Darwinism are the same thing.

How many nickels is that so far?

1/29/2009 10:57:54 PM


"We should all be treated like valuable human beings"

I agree with AoM on this point...

"even the helpless children in the womb"

But not so much with this. Fetus =/= child!

1/29/2009 11:00:01 PM


Like others said, social Darwinism has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. Besides, not everyone who accepts evolutionary theory are atheists either.

And this whole "survival of the fittest"-thing is just a very unfortunate wording.

It is not about the strong of a group always benefiting over the weaker ones. It's about a population being fit for its environment. There are very many instances when being able to help each other out and get along is the evolutionary advantage, then it is the nice individuals that make out the fittest group.

1/29/2009 11:00:15 PM

colonel catastrophe

As soon as he started to talk about Social Darwinism and Nazis, I stopped reading. Godwin is getting boring.

1/29/2009 11:00:15 PM

another malfunctioning drone

This sounds like a reasonably intelligent 14-16 year old girl who was misfortunate enough to be born amongst a bunch of religious idiots in some hick neighborhood. A lot of trusted authority figures seem to have piled a lot of strawmen on the poor thing's young mind. I feel sorry for her and her brother for being where they are.

1/29/2009 11:16:52 PM


"Do you see how the idea of evolution devalues human life?"

I see that you're either ignorant, or have been duped into thinking that authoritarian behavior is the necessary conclusion to believing in evolution.

However, if society is being ruined by evolution, why are there so many churches? Is your religion really so weak that it's being ignored, even as religion is being pushed to be taught alongside science?

1/29/2009 11:23:47 PM

Hawker Hurricane

"Survival of the Fittest" is a phrase invented by Social Darwinists, not Charles Darwin.

Social Darwinism was an excuse for Rich Men to not support thier country's poor. It's very popular among Republicans nowadays.

1/29/2009 11:26:28 PM

Old Viking

There are children in wombs? Where? When? Details, please.

1/29/2009 11:38:46 PM


He does know that God hates disabled people right? In the OT he basically says he doesn't want any of those dirty bastards worshiping him.

Somebody with a yahoo account please please put this to him. I can;t be arsed to create an account for it.

1/29/2009 11:45:41 PM


Your brother is Autistic, therefore, God? What the hell are you smoking?


@Katsuro -- Yeah, and the whole concept of "disability = punishment from Gawd" just pisses me off. What the hell could I possibly have done, in utero no less, to piss off "god"?

1/29/2009 11:47:18 PM


Oh, for fucks sake.

1/29/2009 11:47:34 PM

Professor M

I suppose most of you accept Social Darwinism

AoM supposes his toeses are roses...

1/29/2009 11:47:42 PM


One day AoM will see which philosophy is really making life difficult for people like her brother.

1/30/2009 12:14:46 AM


Evolution is NOT:
a religion
a worldview
a philosophy
a moral code

And no, when you think about it, evolution was NOT behind Nazism. Christianity, eugenics, racism, and nationalism were behind Nazism. Martin Luther hated the Jews and wished to euthanize the mentally retarded because he thought they were possessed or had no souls.

1/30/2009 1:19:26 AM

Reverend Jeremiah

What does any of that have to do with biology?

1/30/2009 1:20:30 AM

Darwin's Lil' Girl

Misunderstanding evolution and Godwin.
Look, I worked with an autistic boy. I know autistic people. I know (and am, in some cases, related to) people who are mentally or physically disabled. I believe we are all human and should be given a chance to live our lives as if we didn't have anything holding us back. I don't know that because of any "god"; I know that because I've been with them, spoken with them, worked with them, and learned about them. Don't tell me I don't for the simple reason I'm atheist.

1/30/2009 1:34:12 AM

Darwin's Bullfrog

Are all humans equal? Morally, yes. In terms of intrinsic worth as people, yes.

In terms of ability to survive in a given environment, no.

The theory of Evolution is not a system of moral philosophy.

1/30/2009 1:35:00 AM


We don't think that way about evolution. Why do you?

1/30/2009 1:54:21 AM


Social Darwinism? No, I do not.

Evolution is a directionless, purposeless process.

Humans are just as purposeless or purposeful as anything else on this planet intrinsically. We do have the ability with the sort of intellect we have to define our purpose for ourselves. Just because we have no 'greater' purpose doesn't mean we (or all other species) don't have some intrinsic worth (at least to ourselves, the universe couldn't care less about us, to anthropomorphize).

Anyway, yes, all humans are equal, 'greater' purpose and 'greater' value is lacking, but that doesn't automatically mean we have free rein over others. Our social system still exists (having evolved as a beneficial adaptation to a harsh world), and we still have to live within it. We also have to answer to ourselves for our actions, and believe it or not, those of us 'without God' still have a moral compass (many in the form of the golden rule, which, no, is not a Christian concept, it's a Christian coopt which your types don't even bother to follow).

1/30/2009 4:10:13 AM

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