Children are not blank tapes who learn evil from elders. They pick up sin, not only from the environment but it is in their hearts from conception. Children are not little bundles of innocence but Proverbs 51:5 says that they are little bundles of depravity. If they are not trained and disciplined according to God's Word, they can develop into unrestrained agents of evil. Selfishness, violence, lying, cheating, stealing and other such behaviour are some of the foolishness from the vast store in their hearts. Spankings drive these manifestations out of the child's personality lest they become permanent fixtures.
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Children are not blank tapes who learn Christianity from elders. They pick up bugfuck ideas in the smothering environment they are raised in, including the idea that they have been stained by original sin from conception. Children are not little bundles of innocence but Proverbs 51:5 says that they are little bundles of depravity, which I believe unquestioningly. If they are not trained and disciplined according to God's Word, they can develop into people of free will who won't feel guilty above caring for others or shame in themselves. Selfishness, violence, lying, cheating, stealing in the name of Jesus and other such behaviour are some of the foolishness that I promote as correct behavior. Spankings are totally hot, and I jerk off vigorously after beating my kids.
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"Spankings drive these manifestations out of the child's personality lest they become permanent fixtures."
I suggest you peruse http://www.neverhitachild.org/
Oh. Wait. Nevermind. I see that you put "according to God's Word" in your reasoning. That means that you are immune to influence from things like scientific research, articles, statistics and how things work in the real world.
Further on this idiot brags about taking in a foster child:
"Upon being assigned guardianship, I told him that he would now be subject to the same rules as our own children: one spank with the rod across the backside when it was established that he had violated one of the family's rules.
Soon afterwards both he and our youngest son transgressed together at the same time. After questioning, establishing the facts, and explaining the rules again, our son took his spanking. The foster boy was next, and like our own son, he cried before and after the spank, and was very receptive to further instruction and reassuring cuddles afterwards. His first words to me the next morning were: "Dad, you're the best!" He also wrote a card of thanks for the spanking and put it on my plate at breakfast. He was a totally different boy from that point onwards."
Note that he uses a rod and not just his hand. I'm sure the foster child was totally different, as in, "Maybe if I play up to the old man, he won't hit me as often."
If they are not trained and disciplined according to God's Word, they can develop into unrestrained agents of evil.
All collected evidence suggests no. With nothing imposed on them by parents or other human authority, children become feral, neither evil nor good, without even the concept of evil or good.
he cried before and after the spank, and was very receptive to further instruction and reassuring cuddles afterwards
That is so fucking creepy. Looks like a surefire way to induce acute Stockholm syndrome as rapidly as possible, or terminal emotional confusion at the very least.
And if they are trained and disciplined according to God's Word, they grow up into perfect little angels? How come fundies are more likely to be in prison, more likely to have children out of wedlock and more likely to get divorced?
I agree that kids aren't sweetness and light all of the time, but to call them "little bundles of depravity" seems a bit harsh.
Kids play up sometimes. Fact of life.
It takes a true creep to teach a child fear, guilt and shame. It takes an asshole to teach a kid how to lie, cheat and hate.
Children are born innocent of these things, obviously.
The sin is the parents': they crippled a perfectly good personality before it had a chance to grow.
"They pick up sin, not only from the environment but it is in their hearts from conception. "
God's creations, who are only truly "alive" because they are the only creatures on Earth with a "soul," given to them by God at birth...are intrinsically evil?
Then why do you retards wail so loudly about killing the little bundles of evil-incarnate while they're still non-human globs of cells? o_O`
Craig, that's such a lovely view of life. Care to use it on you, asshole? I'll use the thicker rod, made of steel but that's all.
If they are just little bundles of depravity, then why have kids?
And I really doubt that if you put spankings up against all that evil you just listed, that spankings are going to win. Use this analogy: in Lord of the Rings, what would have happened if they had just tried to spank all the evil armies? Yeah, guess who would have won.
Well, I'd say it is likely that children are born selfish. Self-interest is a very important instinct to have if you want to stay alive for any length of time, particularly in tougher conditions. Other than that right and wrong (and the concepts of good and evil) are taught, as are any number of attitudes people have towards others. You have a kid that's a "little bundle of depravity"? Guess what? It's your fault (the social environment does factor in, but who do they spend the most time with during their most impressionable years?).
I guess I was a bundle of depravity since I was baptized in the RC church at 2 weeks old. Couldn't have the evil little baby going to hell if I died as an infant.
I don't hold it against my dad, the church had truly convinced him and everyone else and they were scared. I'm 47 now, he is 77 now and he has mellowed alot.
So why not obey the bible and stone your evil kids to death ?
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_stone_your_children/dt21_18a.html
Deuteronomy
"Children are not little bundles of innocence but Proverbs 51:5 says that they are little bundles of depravity."
I work in a large high school. Very few kids are innocent or depraved by the ages at which I deal with them. I have met more than a couple depraved parents, though.
"Children are not little bundles of innocence but Proverbs 51:5 says that they are little bundles of depravity. If they are not trained and disciplined according to God's Word, they can develop into unrestrained agents of evil. Selfishness, violence, lying, cheating, stealing and other such behaviour are some of the foolishness from the vast store in their hearts."
...I see you have met my cousin. *rimshot*
All jokes aside, you are a sick fuck, as evidenced by the later quote about beating the kids with a rod. Please immediately remove yourself from the lives of any children with which you are associated. Cheers.
well actually yes, children are narcisitic by nature, but that doesn't mean they are evil, neither that you should castrate them
This is one reason why I dislike the Christian religion, I don't like the idea that we are born wicked and sinful.
Babies are not "selfish" in the adult sense of the word because they do not have a sense of self and a sense of others. They are simply genetically programmed by evolution to respond to certain stimuli, such as hunger in certain ways which ensure their survival. They do not understand that they have needs, let alone that other people have needs and thus they are not capable of deliberately putting their needs ahead of other people's needs, which is the definition of selfishness.
And I find it ironic that you condemn violence as foolishness in the same paragraph as you advocate systemic violence as punishment for children.
Granted it's easy for children to slide into selfishness when they get into the preschool years if they aren't properly taught. Spanking is NOT the proper way to train a child to be selfless. The best way to teach positive character traits is by modeling them.
So say the experts I have read anyway.
[Children are not blank tapes who learn evil from elders.]
Tell that to Fred Phelps.
[Selfishness, violence, lying, cheating, stealing and other such behaviour are some of the foolishness from the vast store in their hearts.]
Yea, because everyone knows Mr. Smith is a perfect person who has never done any of these things in his whole life. Nope.
[Spankings drive these manifestations out of the child's personality lest they become permanent fixtures. ]
To me, spanking is almost like teaching a child it's okay to get mad and beat people.
Oh and there is not Proverbs 51 you idiot.
Sick. Just sick.
The social worker who approved you as a foster parent needs his/her head examined.
YOU need to be locked away from children for the rest of your life, you sick pervert.
With such wonderful role modeling, don't be surprised when your grown children find any excuse to beat the shit out of you on a regular basis. After all, you taught them that it was okay to hit those weaker than you.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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