Ah, another variation on the good ol' 'Cosmological'/'First Cause' argument, eh? (*cracks knuckles*)
Okay...:
Oh, if we're going down THAT well-worn path (and this level of debate), okay. In that case, remember the Mayans? They were the first to invent & use '0' (Zero) in their numerical system. And the ancient Chinese invented negative numbers. Therefore there was a cause before the 'First Cause': The Zero Cause. Which means there was a being/deity before God (the 'First Cause'). Thus the Zero Cause created God. Which means the Minus First Cause created the being who created God, the Minus Second Cause created the Minus First Cause, and so on into infinity. All of whom are superior beings to God (the 'First Cause'). Which means your 'First Cause' (God) is looking pretty pathetic eh?
So if, for the sake of 'argument' (as per this, the 'Cosmological Argument'), your 'God' does exist, if your 'First Cause' had a creator (the Zero Cause, Minus First Cause etc & so on...), therefore your 'God' is an inferior being, and not worthy of belief & worship. Ergo, Atheism.
Q. E. and D., bitch.
Even the Watchmaker had to have a mother & father. It wasn't your 'God' who created me, but my mum & dad who loved each other very much, and nine months later...! [/'The Talk']
Moral: 'Fallacies'. So no wonder you fundies talk a load of cock.
All sentient beings have an origin. No Exceptions. Ergo, if your so-called 'God' can just have always been, what makes you fundies think you have the right to not say the same, re. the universe always existing? Because you know what'll happen - doctrine-wise - when you do question such...! [/Mary, Mother of God] [/paradox]