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Are you saying that Jesus never existed? If that’s so, then you probably believe the holocaust was a myth also!
[2/9/2009 2:29:25 AM]
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That's just stupid.
Edit: Yay! First comment!
2/9/2009 2:30:10 AM
We have evidence for the Holocaust, retard. Can't say the same for Jesus, and, no, the Bible is not evidence.
2/9/2009 2:32:45 AM
Are you saying that Krishna never existed? If that’s so, then you probably believe the holocaust was a myth also!
2/9/2009 2:37:35 AM
Let's see here...
There remains no surviving first-hand documentation that records any specific facts of the birth, life, or death of Jesus outside of the five accepted Gospels (none of which were written at the same time as when Jesus allegedly lived, some parts of which directly contradict each other. Even beyond the inherent contradictions, there's almost no agreement among them on anything he actually did...) No one knows Jesus's burial site and, even if they did, the story conveniently leaves it open for a complete lack of a body....
Now, the sum and substance of all attempts to discredit the countless documents (not to mention firsthand survivors' accounts of the horrors) that essentially confirm the historicity of the Holocaust, stem from some form of anti-Semitism, be it a resentment at the founding of the state of Israel or just general distrust of Jews that goes back at least as far as Jesus's alleged time, combined with incredulity over the generally accepted statistic of six million murdered, in such a relatively short time period and using then-available technologies. (Admittedly, the exact number of people killed is not something that can ever be known, but statisticians have reached a reasonable consensus that this number is not unreasonable -- if not on the low side...)
As far as modern conspiracy theories go, I daresay that Holocaust denial is the least plausible of all of the high-profile ones, and that actually includes the theory that we never landed a man on the moon or that the government was responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center...
2/9/2009 2:47:30 AM
Not so. There is plenty of eyewitness and filmed evidence. There are recorded testimonies, written and audio, of holocaust survivors, relatives of those who died in the holocaust and those who perpetrated the holocaust. There are historic monuments at the grounds of some of the holocaust's important sites.
Jesus? Nothing but a book by unknown authors written decades after the supposed events. No outside sources which aren't forgeries.
Are you saying the biblical Jesus existed? If that's so, you might as well believe in Mother Goose and Alice in Wonderland.
2/9/2009 2:56:07 AM
Mel Gibson's dad believes Jesus was real and that the holocaust is a myth.
I don't believe Jesus existed and I believe the holocaust took place.
Conclusion: Belief in God is not equivalent to a belief in the holocaust.
2/9/2009 3:05:11 AM
iirc, there's more and better evidence for Bigfoot (or Nessie, or the Yeti) than there is for Jesus... and there isn't a hell of a lot of evidence for any of *those*.
2/9/2009 3:10:00 AM
a mind far far away
How in the fuck...? So let me get this straight; we have absolutely no proof outside the bible that jesus existed, so we, along with reason, don't believe in his existence, and that, somehow, means we don't believe the Holocaust happened, even though we have tons of evidence showing it happened? I fail to see how the two are linked, other than the fact that a xtian fundy massacred millions of Jews because his bible told him to.
2/9/2009 3:18:35 AM
So by this logic jewish people don't beleive in the holocaust,
wow thats alot of fail
2/9/2009 3:20:57 AM
What one has to do with the other I have no idea.
2/9/2009 3:33:39 AM
Jesus read your statement and now wishes he never existed.
2/9/2009 3:35:01 AM
Now now, there is at least
degree of evidence that a person named Jesus existed and that he provided some sort of moral philosophy for the people of his era. That doesn't mean everything in the New Testament is accurate--far from it.
Also, anonymous commenter #942395 gets a gold star for pointing out the most mind-numbingly stupid implication DesultoryPhillipic could possibly have made.
2/9/2009 3:42:20 AM
No fool, people survived the holocaust and still bear the tattoos from their confinement, the holocaust killed millions and millions more fled to escape it. You also have the photographs, the trials, eyewitness accounts etc. Jesus wasn't written about until 90 years after his death. Not the same degree of proof Des.
2/9/2009 4:03:14 AM
1. There are people alivve who remember the Holocoaust.
2. The Holocaust is well-documented.
3. Someone called "Jesus" (Yeshua ben Jusuf) probably did exist - the Roman records of the era support that assumption. That he is the Son of God....that's unsupported. But meh, if he wasn't then he wasnt, and if he was then he was, and will understand us using our minds to seek proof before offering belief. If he was telling the truth last time.....
2/9/2009 4:08:48 AM
Jesus: Mythological figure *alleged* to have existed and performed miracles, but has no corroborating evidence in the historical record.
The Holocaust: Well-documented attempt at genocide/eugenics. We have the survivors, we win.
2/9/2009 4:12:26 AM
Your stupidity is so dense it crushes small children
2/9/2009 4:45:02 AM
12 million people don't just cremate themselves.
2/9/2009 4:56:59 AM
I can find photos and numerous first hand accounts of the holocaust. I can find blue prints of the death camps.
What evidence do you guys have again?
2/9/2009 5:15:00 AM
Could you show your probability calculations again please? Because I believe that's just about the most retarded conclusion I've ever encountered.
2/9/2009 5:30:48 AM
Except that you know, the holocaust is very well documented and is still a recent enough event that there are still people who lived through it. You lose.
2/9/2009 6:47:17 AM
You stupid or something?
2/9/2009 7:14:11 AM
Excuse me, but i am about to punch you right in the middle of your smug face.
2/9/2009 8:31:25 AM
Jesus == the holocaust!
2/9/2009 10:56:38 AM
Odd comparision as most Holocaust deniers do believe in Jesus.
2/9/2009 12:08:14 PM
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