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[a witness for the creationist board in the texas schoolbooks dilemma]

Why do we persist teaching students the religion of atheistic humanism, under the guise of scientific, factual evolution? Which is neither scientific nor factual, when you only present one point of view.

Teaching students that they evolved and are nothing more than animals degrades their quality of life, and robs them of meaning and purpose for life. The twisted reasoning of humanism in seeking to exalt man, reduces him to an animal devoid of will and the ability to choose the virtuous. The fruits of this God-denying teaching are: lying, cheating, stealing, promiscuity, chemical abuse, suicide, crime of all sorts, and a reduction in academic achievement.

There is no factual scientific proof that functional complex life has arisen from disorder by chance. Who are you going to believe - God that was there, or men that weren't?

Creationist Witness, Seen on "Dispaches from Culture Wars" 34 Comments [2/9/2009 3:33:24 AM]
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Wehpudicabok

"Which is neither scientific nor factual, when you only present one point of view."

By that logic, algebra is not factual, because its teachers only present one point of view. (-1)^2 =/= 1! Teach the Controversy!

2/9/2009 3:37:37 AM

Zoo

"Which is neither scientific nor factual, when you only present one point of view."

Woah there. Multiple points of view have nothing to do with how factual or scientific something is. Science isn't about majority rules. It's about preponderance of evidence.

"The twisted reasoning of humanism in seeking to exalt man, reduces him to an animal devoid of will and the ability to choose the virtuous. The fruits of this God-denying teaching are: lying, cheating, stealing, promiscuity, chemical abuse, suicide, crime of all sorts, and a reduction in academic achievement."

Or maybe it shows people that they can choose their purpose, and they can choose to do good because it is right, instead of out of fear. It also gives a new perspective on where we sit in relation to the other animals, and perhaps shows that we can and should choose to be responsible in matters concerning non-human animals and the rest of the living environment, whether in what we eat or what we do to the patch of pristine forest on the other side of the globe (or the patch across the street from our houses).

As for these so-called 'fruits of God-denying', you realize that many people who don't deny god show some or all of those fruits? Of course, not all of them do, but then neither do all 'god-deniers'. Having a healthy outlook on life (whichever way it is acquired) instead of being brainwashed into fear, guilt and lack of self-worth is what prevents these 'fruits', not any god.

2/9/2009 3:44:55 AM

Illuminatalie

lying, cheating, stealing, promiscuity, chemical abuse, suicide, crime of all sorts, and a reduction in academic achievement.
Are you kidding me? What are the rates of each of these in the bible belt states compared to the rest?

2/9/2009 3:49:35 AM

seraphicreverie

Telling people that their only purpose on this world is to kiss the ass of the invisible sky fairy who created them is to rob them of their purpose in life.

By establishing that yes, humans are animals, that leaves one the option to choose his own purpose and pursue his own goals, and to elevate himself above the more "base" animals.

I don't understand how you can really think that being told you're special only if you suck God's indifferent cock is more fulfilling than being told that you have to find and pursue a purpose of your own volition and free will.

2/9/2009 4:09:36 AM



Why exactly does one need to know a higher purpose from some imaginary friend to want to live? Life's experiences are wonderful enough as is, without adding some fairy tale to the mix.

2/9/2009 4:28:05 AM

Barikada

Who are you going to believe - God that doesn't exist, or men that do?

2/9/2009 4:33:01 AM

Orion

Teaching the controversy is the stupidest thing ever, it is not up to bloody high school students to decide which theory is right! Scientists have worked out what theory fits the evidence best which is what is taught in schools.

2/9/2009 4:49:06 AM

Observable Reality

Yeah, and what's with the way they're teaching Chemistry? Water, Air, Fire, Earth and Aether, or Hydrogen through Ununoctium and beyond? Teach the controversy!

2/9/2009 4:51:39 AM



"teaching students that they are evil and irredeemable sinners degrades their quality of life..."

FUCKIN FIX'D

2/9/2009 4:57:33 AM

QT

Wow you're stupid.

2/9/2009 5:04:15 AM

John_in_Oz

It's surprising how seldom crime of all sorts follows suicide.

2/9/2009 5:23:41 AM

Sasha

99% of the world's biologists say you're wrong. Since they're the experts, I rely on their findings.

Christians are the ones teaching children they're worthless scum who need Jebus or they'll be tortured forever after they're dead. I'd rather be an animal than spend my life cowering before a fairytale.

As for the "fruits" you list, Christians commit all of them and more. Check out the prison statistics.

Prove to me your god exists, and then I'll consider what he says. Until then, he's a figment of your imagination.

2/9/2009 5:42:20 AM

TheOutsider

So, wait... we are degrading and exalting humans at the exact same time? How does that work exactly?

2/9/2009 6:03:13 AM

A Friend

•You need to feel important because you're an arrogant, self centered person.
•Goddidit is a lazy answer that requires no thought what so ever and can be easily explained and force fed to the masses.
•ToE has jackshit to do with morality or substance abuse
•Not everyone needs an invisible crutch.
•not everyone needs to believe in a skydaddy to find meaning in life. There are many other things to find meaning in. Don't be so narrow minded
•Atheism is not a religion and no, you can't just slap any title you want after it. Atheist humanist, atheist secular, atheist potato, it doesn't make a damn difference.
•Stop with the false dichotomy already. You IDiots seem to think that it's either evolution or jeebus. It's not.
•Finally, there is no debate. You can't argue against reality. Evolution happened and is still happening. The only reason there is any argument is because some tards seem to think it poses a threat to their belief systems and you can't have sheeple wandering from the flock. No sir. Less sheeple, less money.

In conclusion, the IDiots will never win. Theories are invalidated in labs not courtrooms. I'm done ranting.

2/9/2009 6:03:29 AM

aaa

Bullshit doesn't fly here.

2/9/2009 8:57:27 AM

Psittacosis

Obvious parrot is psittacoid.

2/9/2009 9:00:37 AM

LDM

Actually, teaching me evolution helped me understand my place in the world better, and taught me to show more respect for the living world because I'm a part of it, and it's a part of me. I feel much better about who I am, as a result.

And I saw more lying, cheating, stealing, promiscuity, chemical abuse, suicide, in the 18 months I was in a parochial school, than in my previous 10 1/2 years total in public school.

Epic FAIL, try again.

2/9/2009 9:22:52 AM

Darn

Who are you going to believe - God that was there, or men that weren't?

Bring out your God and have him bring evidence.

If you do, I will consider believing him.

After that I would like to have a word with him, so I can try and understand why he behaves like an egocentric, murderous, sadistic maniac.

2/9/2009 11:23:33 AM

anevilmeme

False premise, evolution doesn't deny the existence of God

2/9/2009 11:30:39 AM

David B.

"There is no factual scientific proof that functional complex life has arisen from disorder by chance."

Absolutely, 100%, undeniably correct!

Which is why we say it arose by the non-chance mechanism of natural selection, for which there are mountains of factual evidence.

2/9/2009 12:17:36 PM

Mister Spak

"Who are you going to believe - God that was there, or men that weren't? "

Who are you going to believe, men that exist, or a god that doesn't.

2/9/2009 12:39:20 PM

Lucretius

That sounds remarkably like Ken Ham

2/9/2009 12:43:05 PM

Doctor Whom

Why do we persist in teaching only one creation myth? Shouldn't we teach the controversy and include them all? Whom are you going to believe - a council of gods who were there, or human beings who weren't?

2/9/2009 2:12:13 PM

Clown

Define factual proof. Observable? Repeatable on small scale?

Also: "Teaching students that they evolved and are nothing more than animals degrades their quality of life, and robs them of meaning and purpose for life. The twisted reasoning of humanism in seeking to exalt man, reduces him to an animal devoid of will and the ability to choose the virtuous. The fruits of this God-denying teaching are: lying, cheating, stealing, promiscuity, chemical abuse, suicide, crime of all sorts, and a reduction in academic achievement."
What drugs are you on?

2/9/2009 2:19:01 PM

John

Who are you going to believe - God that was there, or men that weren't?

I'd believe God, of course. But what does that have to do with some heavily edited, millionth-hand copy of a 3,500 year old story invented by an anonymous bronze age Arab goat herder (who wasn't there either)?

2/9/2009 3:26:27 PM
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